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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik Setzer View Post
    I was looking at Ariadna. Honestly, I'm not sure what all the models do, but there was a mix of assault rifles, carbines, shotguns, grenade launcher(s), missile launcher, sniper... Seemed like I was covering a lot of bases. But looking over more stuff, I'm now confused on the army building, because it seems you have like sub-factions or something and can't mix that much? Or their army builder just really, really confused me.
    there are the major factions (Or "VANILLA" factions)
    Such as Panoceania, Yu Jing, Ariadna etc...

    These get access to ALL the factions troops as they like (obeying the availabillity of course) So for example I could have a Jotum and a Knight in the same force.

    Then you have the sectorials, basically sub factions, like Millitary Orders, Japanese sectorial army and the Caledonian Highlander army.

    These lists have only have access to the faction forces that are inherently from that sectorial, usually with high availabillity (so Military orders doesn't have access to all the PanO troops, but in turn it gets to take more Knights)

    In addition to this, Sectorial armies can use "link teams" A special method of using certain types of troops so that you activate them with a single order (and they get other bonuses based on the size of the link)

    To put it crudely in 40k terms, the sectorials are kinda like codex "supplement" factions
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    I should probably do more reading the rulebook before trying to buy an army. Seems like I'll save some money and heartache.

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    Play a couple of small games with proxy figures if you have to. The order mechanism coupled with the active/reactive player mechanism of the game can be difficult to learn/understand without actually stepping into the game. If you are solely focused on learning the entry level rules, then look in the rulebook for the introductory game on page 10 and step through that. Then read the basic rules section immediately after.

    As DaBoarder already mentioned each faction has a number of subfactions (usually 2-3). The subfactions aren't all that dissiimilar from the primary faction. They offer the ability to use link teams which help with order efficiency since you can move multiple models with a single order (and the enemy only gets a single reaction per model) and they upgrade or downgrade the availability of certain units.

    As for rules, definitely cover the N3 rulebook but make certain you find a copy of the Paradiso and Human Sphere PDFs as those have additional equipment and rules (in fact, sectorials and link teams are a human sphere rule).
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    I am also thinking about joining the Infinity community. I got the newest book and am starting to read it. I have watched both of Miniwargaming and Beast of war learn to play but I have a few questions.

    1. finding a group to accept noobs. I don't know of any groups around the DC area that play infinity let alone if they are newbie friendly. Are groups usually open to new players or are they more elitist like the groups of fantasy that I have found?

    2. Buying usless models. My hobby budget is tight and while I like some models, I am looking at you Moriarty, how do I know if I am getting the correct miniatures and not just going to get rolled everytime.

    3. I really like the Moriarty model but it come with Tomcat Sergeant Major Carlota Kowalsky. I am guessing that Kowalsky is the actual model and moriarty is with her. if I wanted to use her would i need a group of tomcats as well?

    Sorry for all the off the wall questions.
    Grenndal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenndal View Post
    I am also thinking about joining the Infinity community. I got the newest book and am starting to read it. I have watched both of Miniwargaming and Beast of war learn to play but I have a few questions.

    1. finding a group to accept noobs. I don't know of any groups around the DC area that play infinity let alone if they are newbie friendly. Are groups usually open to new players or are they more elitist like the groups of fantasy that I have found?

    2. Buying usless models. My hobby budget is tight and while I like some models, I am looking at you Moriarty, how do I know if I am getting the correct miniatures and not just going to get rolled everytime.

    3. I really like the Moriarty model but it come with Tomcat Sergeant Major Carlota Kowalsky. I am guessing that Kowalsky is the actual model and moriarty is with her. if I wanted to use her would i need a group of tomcats as well?

    Sorry for all the off the wall questions.


    1. Most of the groups I know are pretty inclusive of new people. I can't speak for DC but the midwest groups frequently run demo days and have events such as escalation leagues, beginner/veteran team tournaments, and other fun style games to break new players into the rules. We've had hacker brawls, TAG Brawls, bike races, etc to acclimate new players to some of the more unusual or complex rules.

    Where in DC are you? I know of at least one group in the Northern Virginia area. The Warcor over there is Certs.

    2. 99% of the miniatures in Infinity are not useless. Seriously, for killy power almost everything is useful. If you go scenario play like ITS or YAMS then keep specialists in your list as appropriate and you'll do fine. Otherwise, buy what you want/like and keep playing with it. Eventually you'll learn the ins and outs of the units and profiles and things will come together. Sure, you might replace a spare model or two but it really isn't that bad.

    2a. Infinity has a steep learning curve. While veterans will frequently play newcomers with kid gloves and be more forgiving of mistakes, that isn't everyone. Prepare to lose the first several games but simply make them learning experiences. Ask your opponent for input on what you could do better and don't let them off the hook with easy answers like "Well you could have taken X instead of miniature Y". Ask them to comment on what you did take, not what you could take.

    3. Carlotta Kowalsky is a character who happens to be a Tomcat. There are no "units" in the same sense as 40k. You don't have to play multiple Tomcats or keep them in some sort of coherancy. If you just want Kowalsky and Moriarty, then just play with them. She's pretty awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenndal View Post
    I am also thinking about joining the Infinity community. I got the newest book and am starting to read it. I have watched both of Miniwargaming and Beast of war learn to play but I have a few questions.

    1. finding a group to accept noobs. I don't know of any groups around the DC area that play infinity let alone if they are newbie friendly. Are groups usually open to new players or are they more elitist like the groups of fantasy that I have found?

    2. Buying usless models. My hobby budget is tight and while I like some models, I am looking at you Moriarty, how do I know if I am getting the correct miniatures and not just going to get rolled everytime.

    3. I really like the Moriarty model but it come with Tomcat Sergeant Major Carlota Kowalsky. I am guessing that Kowalsky is the actual model and moriarty is with her. if I wanted to use her would i need a group of tomcats as well?

    Sorry for all the off the wall questions.
    Hey, welcome to the game

    I wouldnt watch MWG they arent really trying to actually learn the rules and the content is pretty sparse
    Guerrilla Miniature Games and Gamingwiththecooler as well as Jon Jones are much better channels for your infinity fix.

    1) I dont know how to help other than ask on the official forum or one of the many social media pages, but most groups run escalation leagues (ITS and CB supported) often and they are a great way to build up the game

    2) No useless models, literally NOT a thing in infinity. Plus people are fine with loadout and proxy in general particular with newer players

    3) No idea on nomads sorry, check out the official army builder, it'll help

    heres something else that was brought up recently
    Its highly likely that in one of your first games you will be utterly destroyed by an alternative deployment model (AD is the most common) please do NOT let yourself get disheartened, its almost a right of passage we have all been through and had to learn how to cope with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daboarder View Post
    heres something else that was brought up recently
    Its highly likely that in one of your first games you will be utterly destroyed by an alternative deployment model (AD is the most common) please do NOT let yourself get disheartened, its almost a right of passage we have all been through and had to learn how to cope with.
    Along with Ramboing Camo/TO Camo, Smoke+MSV shenanigans, Total Reaction Bots, and a whole host of other tactics. Suffice it to say, these things will happen but as long as new players see them as a learning opportunity and the veteran player explains what he is doing, why, and then (after the battle) explains what the new player can do to defend themselves it's all good.
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    Within each faction of the game (often called a "vanilla" faction, such as Ariadna) there are what's called Sectorial armies. These change the availability (AVA) of certain troops, take away access to some others, and give you access to Link Team special rules that are in the Human Sphere/Campaign Paradiso PDF.

    For example, in Ariadna, USAriadna Grunts are AVA 2 and Line Kazaks are AVA Total (meaning you can have any number of them). If you build a USAriadna Sectorial army, you cannot take Line Kazaks, but USAriadna Grunts become AVA Total and linkable.

    I'd recommend starting with a vanilla force and finding out what types of units you like using before choosing a sectorial force, though. They can be powerful but also kind of limiting. Hopefully that helps some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenndal View Post

    3. I really like the Moriarty model but it come with Tomcat Sergeant Major Carlota Kowalsky. I am guessing that Kowalsky is the actual model and moriarty is with her. if I wanted to use her would i need a group of tomcats as well?

    Sorry for all the off the wall questions.
    Firstly, asking questions is how you learn stuff, so don't apologise for them.

    Carlotta Kowalski and moriarty are A unit. You cannot buy them separately for your army list (If you select her, she comes with it the little robot dude).
    You do NOT need to also have Tomcats in your list in order to take her. She is not an "upgrade" for a unit, but a named character who shares some history (fluff) with the unit.

    The army list does show separate points for each model, but you may note that you only pay HER cost to get both (the separate cost for Moriarty is for games where you need to dominate an area, and the separate points only matter then).
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