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    Right.
    So they're doing it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfshade View Post
    then goes on to make comparisons between military ships and the Enterprise which is a science vessel not a capitol warship as claimed throughout (fool). If you must compare it to a starfleet ship then you have two options really, the Defiant or Vengance (STID).
    maybe so, but the Galaxy and Sovereign are still some of the best the Feds actually have, and can hold their own against Negh'Var and D'Deridex, which are warships and no doubt there. So I don't really see your point... or rather. maybe it's less a matter of tech and capabilities but of approach - the Federation is (or tries to be at least) a largely peaceful organisation, which can't be said for either the Empire or the Imperium of Man...
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    My point was the comparison between a dedicated troop transport from Star Wars with the Enterprise-D. It is like comparing an APC with a bus/coach and saying that the APC is superior. It is as you go on to state the approach which matters. If Starfleet are capable of build a scientific exploration vessel that can stand against ships of the line then what on earth (pun not intended) could they do if they decided to scrap the peaceful design philosphy and go for an out and out attack cruiser (the closest is the Defiant which is phenomenally powerful given its size, indeed is arguably more powerful than even the Enterprise-E)

    While the Galaxy and Sovereign classes are some of the most technologically advanced ships that starfleet commands they are not warships and even if they are designed to operate in hostile times they are still design principally for science and exploration so any comparisons between Starfleet and any military organisation are misguided.

    Better comparisons would be with the militaristic species like the Breen, Klingons, Cardassians and Romulans.

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    Us, this thread. I love it.



    Also, Imperium has a great many extremely potent psykers. As we've seen many times, Trek has no set or standard defence procedure. Mindbum the Captain, or Security, and wipe out the command crew. Ship in deep, deep troub.

    Other point on the ships? Boarding actions. Trek just doesn't have the numbers!
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    You can't use psykers inside vehicles it's in the BRB - flippant response

    But given that you couldn't use psykers in BFG one can only assume that you can't really do it in the hectic ship to ship combat.

    There are psykers in Trek, though they are almost universaly "good aligned" so have non-military uses.

    As for ship capturing, it is crude and inefficient. Both can teleport, certainly you wouldn't have one ship capturing one 40k ship, it would take days to try and do or would require a full planterary invasion force (indeed we see in 40k fiction the best way to board a capitol ship is to go alongside and launch across tubes) but this only really happens if the one ship already has no defences in which case it is probably best just to aim at the reactors and blow the ship up. History shows that a captured ship and its crew will sometimes revolt and take the ship back.

    So yes it is impractical for ST to capture a 40k ship, or anything remotely ship of the line size. With the manouerability of the ST ships it would be difficult to capture it in 40k but far far more possible.

    Indeed WW2 Britian captured just 2 ships, Germany captured 2 UK ships. It was uncommon then with the ease naval warfare. Modern ship capturing has been done by small craft with militias vs large cruisers with very few personnel.
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    It's more of a staple in 40k though, certainly more than Trek (though Trek does have attempts, but those seem more to do damage than take control).

    Imagine a Dreadclaw to The Bridge of any Trek vessel. That's game over right there man, right there!

    Also, see the Defiant? Probably not a great deal bigger than a 40k Bomber (BFG fighters alone were compared in size to Jumbo Jets!). And 40k bombers travel in packs.
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    It would be, but trying to hit that target would be difficult especially given the limited manourvrability of the dreadclaws, perhaps the assault ram would have a better chance.

    It is true that the defiant is small, 152m, compared with the thunderhawk at 26m, bomber 20m so it is a scale larger but still tiny even in the trekverse, but don't forget the defiant still can outshoot the enterprise so it's smallness is not such an issue
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    In terms of ship boarding, trek clearly has the edge. Teleportation is much more effect and reliable, allowing you to dump your away team right next to key features (bridge, warp core) and take them with surgical strikes before the ponderous space marines can respond. By contrast, the space marines are mostly limited to firing boarding torpedoes and fighting their way through, with trek ships easily being able to seal of various sections of their ships through bulkheads and internal force fields.
    Furthermore, most of the naval battles would be against the imperial navy and trek teams would carve their way through the puny humans on board with ease.

    On the enterprise debate, it sits some where between a ship of the line and survey vessel. The federation has purely scientific vessels and ones outfitted solely for fighting, the enterprise is designed to do both and whilst it is not often the flagship, it is virtually always their most advanced ship.
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    You joking?

    The sheer scale of the important stuff on a 40k ship is frankly staggering. Plus, nobody seems to wear any armour at all, leaving them horribly vulnerable to the 'hey, what's safety?' conditions on board a 40k craft.
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