If X = Y, then 40K?

[Psychosplodge]

Meh, We all know the Star wars ships would win anyway
But I still think the 40K ones would outdo the star trek ones.

[Wolfshade]

They are not the militaries of either planet, nor were they acting on behalf of their respective governments.

Plus the scimitar (picard's clone ship) with it's radiation weapon can strip life in seconds which is shorter than torpedos or virus bombs etc.

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Meh, We all know the Star wars ships would win anyway
But I still think the 40K ones would outdo the star trek ones.

I think that the star wars have the problem of the 40k they are big and not movable, so require fighter wings, but there weaponry and defensive systems aren't great

[Tyrendian]

But that is because the D'deridex-class, B-type is awesome. This is without taking into account the big birdie that the Picard clone built for Nemsis

which is still something like a tenth the size of proper Imperial battleships; same for Negh'Var and Sovereign, which are something of the staple "big ships"...
it's impossible to say who would win a space fight though, mainly because we can't really gauge how the respective shielding techs work out against the other's weapons... the larger size of 40k weapons will probably be offset somewhat by manouverability on the Trekkies' part, but weapon range is another matter - from what I remember Lances have ranges in the hundreds of thousands of kilometers, while Trekkies usually fight at single or at most double digit kilometer ranges...

[Psychosplodge]

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I think that the star wars have the problem of the 40k they are big and not movable, so require fighter wings, but there weaponry and defensive systems aren't great

I think [URL="http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html"]these comparisons[/URL] based on observations give a reasonable idea.

[daboarder]

I only see one civilisation that has survived 10,000 years of war against everything from itself to voracious aliens, re-awakened automatons, Cokneys, and Malicous Sentient Gods of raw emotion

[Psychosplodge]

That's a good point.

[Wolfshade]

which is still something like a tenth the size of proper Imperial battleships; same for Negh'Var and Sovereign, which are something of the staple "big ships"...
it's impossible to say who would win a space fight though, mainly because we can't really gauge how the respective shielding techs work out against the other's weapons... the larger size of 40k weapons will probably be offset somewhat by manouverability on the Trekkies' part, but weapon range is another matter - from what I remember Lances have ranges in the hundreds of thousands of kilometers, while Trekkies usually fight at single or at most double digit kilometer ranges...

We have already established that 40k weapons are less powerful comparing the effects of a standard issue bolter vs a standard issue phaser/disrupter. Then upscaled to affects on planets...

I think [URL="http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html"]these comparisons[/URL] based on observations give a reasonable idea.

A couple of things I wouldn't trust anyone who has such a badly formatted webpage, then goes on to make comparisons between military ships and the Enterprise which is a science vessel not a capitol warship as claimed throughout (fool). If you must compare it to a starfleet ship then you have two options really, the Defiant or Vengance (STID).

[Psychosplodge]

The page is very old.
Is the Enterprise not the flagship?

[daboarder]

That's a good point.

Thank you, I think it illustrates the point.

Remember its not just the gun, its how far you are willing to go, and the Trekkie and Wars universes don't make a regular thing of exterminatus. No one does "total war" quite like the imperium

[Wolfshade]

No.

A flagship is any ship commanded by an admiral, indeed any navy would have a number of flagships. Then you have the flagship of the fleet (which the Enterprise is akin to). Then any ship in charge of a group would be the flagship so when Defiant takes over command of the fleet it becomes that fleet's particular flagship.

In the motion pictures where Kirk is an admiral the Enterprise is a flagship

Most of the time though the Enterprise is captained by a captain, without a fleet so it is wrong to call it a flagship as it has neither a fleet to command nor an officer of flag.

It is sometimes used in the venacular to say it is the best in the fleet but that isn't an official title.