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View Poll Results: Should Scotland be an independent nation?

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  • Freedom/Good riddance (yes)

    7 25.00%
  • Better together (no)

    9 32.14%
  • I don't care

    12 42.86%
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    Come on....We live in the United Kingdom of London (well, Canary Wharf Square Mile) and Not-London.

    Interestingly though, according to the Beeb this morning, efforts to decentralise UK wealth appear to be working, with the East Midlands in particular doing quite well.
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    The trouble is with all of these is that they still sound terribly negative.

    Imgaine you have two people telling you about something

    One is saying "do nothing, this is as good as it gets" the other is saying "do something and get better". I know which one I would prefer to hear.

    So the No campaign has two messages, highlighting the benefits or what they already know, which in recent years is economic crisis, recession followed by years of austerity and cuts and saying what the negative aspects of what will happen if a spilt occurs. In order to highlight the benefit of being together they have to be negative about being apart.

    The Yes capaign has 1 message, to highlight the benefits of splitting. They don't need to highlight the negativity of staying together as the recent past is quite negative.

    For me I am very much better together as might be obvious from my posts. But I am concerned listening to Salmond and Sturegon that there is something fishy going on. They have 1 plan and no room to move from that.

    I think seperation does occur then things will change but perhaps not as sharply as what happens.

    As of 2011, £23.9bn exports were internationally, but £45.4bn was to the rest of the UK. Now certainly things aren;t going to stop coming across the border, but also 7 or 8 of the top 10 countires trading with scotland are within the eu and at independence Scotland won't be in the EU or the UK so would probably have some import duty levied on these "foreign" goods.

    I would just like to know what-if .... which is an argument the yes campaign doesn't answer and of course being political it isn't a strong message.

    Either way Salmond must be considered to be very sucessful a one issue party that has dominated scottish politics and also forced an agenda through westminster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfshade View Post
    But I am concerned listening to Salmond and Sturegon that there is something fishy going on. They have 1 plan and no room to move from that.
    My personal point of view on what Alex Salmond really wanted was Devo max, not full independence. If it had been a Yes/No/DevoMax vote im almost certain devo max would've smashed the other options! But his hand was forced with no Devo max option, so its not a total success on his plan.

    But with the Yes/No vote I don't think Salmond ever intends to be the one who actually takes Scotland forward if it goes Independent. I expect him to let others do that so that if things don't work out its not on him! Maybe I'm a cynic, but they don't call him mr Teflon for nothing!

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    I agree entirely air horse. He wanted full control whilst still with the safety blanket/financial support of the UK. All the power with none of the cost/responsibility, who wouldn't want that? He could never publicly admit that, so Cameron called his bluff. Quite why, I'm not sure. Possibly to try to erode SNP power in Scotland, possibly just to shut him up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirHorse View Post
    My personal point of view on what Alex Salmond really wanted was Devo max, not full independence. If it had been a Yes/No/DevoMax vote im almost certain devo max would've smashed the other options! But his hand was forced with no Devo max option, so its not a total success on his plan.

    But with the Yes/No vote I don't think Salmond ever intends to be the one who actually takes Scotland forward if it goes Independent. I expect him to let others do that so that if things don't work out its not on him! Maybe I'm a cynic, but they don't call him mr Teflon for nothing!
    This is the thing.

    Salmond quite reasonably requested the three options, but Call Me Dave said no, it's all in or all out.

    And Call Me Dave and the No Camp are now dangling Devo Max as a reward for being good little vassals of The Tory Party, and voting No.

    That is NOT democracy. If Devo Max is an option, then it should be voted on. This way, Call Me Dave is trying to act like some kind of benevolent guy, not realising that there is no way for Salmond to actually lose on this. Yes? Will of the people is heard, and Scotland splits from the UK. No? Will of the people is heard. He hasn't promised independence at any point. He's promised the referendum. Nothing more, nothing less. Boom, Win/Win situation.
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    I agree that its ridiculous that Devo Max has come back as a "reward" Mr Mystery! And while I don't think it was unreasonable for Salmond to want a three option vote I don't think devo max should have anything to do with an independence vote! Its utter nonsense that the Torys are bringing it back into things like they are. But then while I might be firmly on the No camp, I don't profess to be a fan of the current Westminster government either!

    You're right, Salmond won the moment he got a referendum, even without his preferred devo max option it hardly matters what the vote is from his point of view! He might be the smuggest looking git i've ever seen, but he's made a hell of a career in Scottish politics!

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    If anyone has earned a smug poop-eating grin, it's Salmond.

    Said it before, and I'll say it again. Most Successful Politician in a long old time!
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    Well final debate last night.

    I have to say a much more improved performance by the fish. Indeed on balance I think he did a much better job than Darling. Though his insistence of talking over the top of Darling was irksome.

    Some stats from the BBC wesbite:



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    [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jean-muir/scotland-its-about-democracy_b_5699365.html?utm_hp_ref=uk]Opinion piece I found online[/url]

    Doesn't represent my view, but worth a read.
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    I didn't watch it, but had a glance through twitter and more people seemed to be commenting on the poor behaviour of the participants than any issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mystery View Post
    [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jean-muir/scotland-its-about-democracy_b_5699365.html?utm_hp_ref=uk]Opinion piece I found online[/url]

    Doesn't represent my view, but worth a read.
    Got the anti imperialist rose tinted american blinkers of denial on though hasn't he?

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