When a proxy isn't a proxy

[Vincenzo Bruni]

Yes we all know that, we all saw that: soda bottles used as Greater Daemons, keychains as SM flyers and so on.
And often it was plain terrible: proxying was the name of low quality games at worst, worth a laugh at best.

It's not always the case, you know.

Warhammer Proxies! ([url]https://www.facebook.com/groups/535981369814344/[/url]) is a Facebook group for "serious proxiers" - hobbyistis who convert and modify toys, souvenirs, cake boxes, burned-out electronic circuits et cetera into Warhammer 40K and Fantasy models.



Sky is the limit for imagination.

We have a lot of ferocious and vocal haters but we do not give up, ever.

Do you wanna give us a chance?

[Captain Bubonicus]

No.

[Defenestratus]

No.

This.

[Adrian R Gosling]

No.

I second this.

[Cayus]

No.

Grumpy Cat? ... Is that you? XDDDDD

In my opinion there is just a point to keep in mind in order to allow or not allow the presence of non original Games Worshop's models in a game, and that point is the kind of game to play.

If the battle is set by any official Games Workshop organization, let's say a GW shop, or franchise, the most probably is that using non original models won't be allowed.

If the battle is set by an independant games club, or by a group of friends, it all comes down to agree in advance what is allowed and what is not. After that, all set in the table accomplishing the agreed can fight.

On the other side, I must admit that I hate playing against unpaitend models, since I always try to set on the tables my painted units in order to improve the visual aspect of the game. For the same reason, I love discovering proxies, or scratch buildings etc that are really well built and painted. I wouldn't mind losing a game against those fliers in the pictures shown in previous posts.

[Path Walker]

Grumpy Cat? ... Is that you? XDDDDD

Don't do this.

[GrauGeist]

It's a lot better if you share some pictures of what you're talking about.

If you can't even share pictures, what does that say about your confidence in how good your proxies *really* are?

[AdamHarry]

Yes we all know that, we all saw that: soda bottles used as Greater Daemons, keychains as SM flyers and so on.
And often it was plain terrible: proxying was the name of low quality games at worst, worth a laugh at best.

It's not always the case, you know.

Warhammer Proxies! ([url]https://www.facebook.com/groups/535981369814344/[/url]) is a Facebook group for "serious proxiers" - hobbyistis who convert and modify toys, souvenirs, cake boxes, burned-out electronic circuits et cetera into Warhammer 40K and Fantasy models.

Sky is the limit for imagination.

We have a lot of ferocious and vocal haters but we do not give up, ever.

Do you wanna give us a chance?

From Google:
Proxy: the authority to represent someone else, especially in voting.
"they may register to vote by proxy"
synonyms: deputy, representative, substitute, delegate, agent, surrogate, stand-in, attorney, go-between
"I am here to vote as Mrs. Carlson's proxy"
-a person authorized to act on behalf of another.
plural noun: proxies
-a document authorizing a person to vote on another's behalf.

Conversion: the act or an instance of converting or the process of being converted.
"the conversion of food into body tissues"
synonyms: change, changing, transformation, metamorphosis, transfiguration, transmutation, sea change; humoroustransmogrification
"the conversion of waste into energy"

Convert : cause to change in form, character, or function.

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The difference between a Proxy and a Conversion, to me, is effort.

Most people have an aversion to Proxies because they show a distinct lack of effort. I have played and have played against Proxy armies. I did this because I was wanting to test something or my opponent wanted to test something. But at some point playing against Proxies becomes unsatisfying (for me at least). If you are the type of person that just wants to play the game and you don't care for the models/painting/hobby aspects/wants to use cardboard tubes as tanks (which is perfectly fine) - then by all means, continue to enjoy the game(s) you play! For many players, those same hobby aspects are the most appealing part of the game (which again, perfectly fine). These two ends of the spectrum butt heads.

From what I have seen the vast majority of gamers falls somewhere on that line of "I don't care if it's grey plastic/cardboard tubes" and "I refuse to play with anything other than fully painted, fully based, 100% [insert model manufacturers name] model" - but for those same people I think it really just comes down to effort. So as to your question "Do you wanna give us a chance?" - Are your conversions believable? Do they fit the theme you're going for? Do they add to the immersion of playing the game? Basically - did you put any effort into it? Or are you just wanting to throw dice and play a game? If you answered yes to any those questions - sure, because I enjoy playing the game and I enjoy the hobby aspects as well. But for me, playing with cool models, fully painted, and on an awesome table is just...better.

[Denzark]

There is a difference between a pure proxy and a scratchbuild or heavy conversion. If the proxy is recognisable for what it stands in for and also is about the right size, then most people would kick off. Now, looking at your site, I have no idea what that cheese grater thing is. If you try and tell me it is a nob biker or a stomper I may have a problem.

And this is the root of people's problems with it.

[Nogle]

I can't see this, guess its because I don't have facebook.

I've started adding khorne deamons to my world eater army as allies/summoning. I'm waiting for plastic hounds, so I was thinking of using fenrisian wolves. also I have 7 thunderwolves I was thinking of using as blood crushers till I can afford the real models. probably have some extra bloodletters I could put on the thunderwolves as riders, Is that ok?