British Politics Thread.

[Filthy Casual]

Never mind the fact that we're spending more keeping them out than it would take to let them in and give them the aid they need.

[Haighus]

We also had a big role to play in the reason they are trying to get in in the first place.

[Psychosplodge]

to stop France becoming overburdened and to do our part to help these people?

France has at least twice the land area we have. And if house programs on TV are anything to go by no issues with housing like here.

Because the French have pushed them out to the edge of their society and refused to integrate them?

And the answer to this is for us to pick up after france?

We also had a big role to play in the reason they are trying to get in in the first place.

That would depend more on where the individual is from.

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I think we all agree theres a responsibility to help, I think we're probably never going to reach consensus on how to actually do that.

[Filthy Casual]

We have tons of empty houses, more than enough to home these people, housing isn't a problem. This is just an exercise in finding excuses to ignore people in need. We had an opportunity to show how great we can be as a country and show compassion to those who wanted to come here to avoid a war (that we had a hand in starting through our actions) and we instead decided to label the refugees as migrants, a wave, a swarm, like they were locusts come to devour everything we had, not people in need of shelter and food.

The same people who decry our nations lost "Christian values" encouraged us to turn away from people needing shelter.

[CoffeeGrunt]

France has at least twice the land area we have. And if house programs on TV are anything to go by no issues with housing like here.

Yeah, you probably shouldn't use A Place In The Sun as research for a country's housing economy...

[Psychosplodge]

Yeah, you probably shouldn't use A Place In The Sun as research for a country's housing economy...

lols.

[Alaric]

We have tons of empty houses, more than enough to home these people, housing isn't a problem. This is just an exercise in finding excuses to ignore people in need. We had an opportunity to show how great we can be as a country and show compassion to those who wanted to come here to avoid a war (that we had a hand in starting through our actions) and we instead decided to label the refugees as migrants, a wave, a swarm, like they were locusts come to devour everything we had, not people in need of shelter and food.

The same people who decry our nations lost "Christian values" encouraged us to turn away from people needing shelter.

Out of curiosity, lets say you take in all these refugees and help em out and put them in these empty houses....then what? What will these people do now? Are there enuff jobs to support all these migrants? Its nice to wanna help your fellow man and all that but what happens in 6 months when they get stir crazy? Are your tax dollars gonna pay for them to just sit?

Interesting conversation to read for someone far removed from this situation.

[Haighus]

Well, past influxes of migrants and refugees generally just became part of the nation to my knowledge- got jobs, intermarried, settled down. Some of them went back when whatever they were hiding from stopped being an issue, but I think the majority of the refugees staying here in WWII stayed afterwards too.

[40kGamer]

Out of curiosity, lets say you take in all these refugees and help em out and put them in these empty houses....then what? What will these people do now? Are there enuff jobs to support all these migrants? Its nice to wanna help your fellow man and all that but what happens in 6 months when they get stir crazy? Are your tax dollars gonna pay for them to just sit?

Interesting conversation to read for someone far removed from this situation.

This is the problem with modern welfare and social safety net programs. We all need purpose in life and the way the government 'helps' people strips them of this. I am 100% for helping people at home and abroad but this help has to be more than a handout, it needs to be meaningful.

[CoffeeGrunt]

Well, our unemployment rate's been [URL="https://www.google.co.uk/publicdata/explore?ds=z8o7pt6rd5uqa6_&met_y=unemployment_rate &idim=country:uk:fr&hl=en&dl=en"]doing well these last few years[/URL], due to various schemes. Again, it's a question of what's acceptable in people's eyes. Under our current system, these guys wouldn't be entitled to benefits for a while, so we'd have to provide some form of labour for them. That'd be a complicated thing at an individual level. Some people might already have contacts that could put them up, and thus the state wouldn't really have to bother. Others might be completely unprepared for working in Britain.

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This is the problem with modern welfare and social safety net programs. We all need purpose in life and the way the government 'helps' people strips them of this. I am 100% for helping people at home and abroad but this help has to be more than a handout, it needs to be meaningful.

The American definition if welfare is very different from our more European Socialist understanding of it. :P

Basically, our current Jobseeker's system has people do work in order to earn their wage. This is normally stuff like working at a local Pound store, an equivalent to a dollar store, or things like that. On top of that, you get help writing a CV and are expected to send out applications for a certain number of jobs each week.

Some people do the bare minimum, take the handout and pray they never actually have to work. For most it's an interim thing between jobs. The difference is motivation, and let's be honest, the guys who have travelled across the Middle East and Europe to get here probably aren't lacking in motivation to build themselves a better life.