British Politics Thread.

[grimmas]

We don't need eveyone to have blinking degree we have a skills shortage not an education shortage. We've spent too long reading "studies" from academics talking rubbish about stuff they've never actually experienced studies which conveniently suggest they should be held in higher regard.

On the subject of Jeremy Corbyn (notice I've used his first name as well). He's in my mind one of the few politicians who's actually raised his stock over the last few days. He understand what democracy is for a start and he was very quick (possibly the first) to suggest we need to get down to working out how to enact the wil of the people. Good on him. He's also right he was voted the leader of the Labour part by its membership 18 cabinet memebers having a hissy fit doesn't change it. Also Brexit would actually allow him to enact his socialist vision for the UK being as though it would give him the necessary level of control to make it happen.

He's still a long way from getting a Mr from me but he's earning respect and hell Mr Mandela started off as an actual terrorist and he did pretty well in the end.

[CoffeeGrunt]

Government is innately a socialist construct to some degree. We all pay in, it pays for stuff for us.

Plus even at 10x Mystery's numbers, which is highly unlikely, it's still [URL="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/26/cornwall-fears-loss-of-funding-after-backing-brexit"]only slightly larger than the deficit the government needs to invest in Cornwall after the EU funding drops[/URL].

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We don't need eveyone to have blinking degree we have a skills shortage not an education shortage. We've spent too long reading "studies" from academics talking rubbish about stuff they've never actually experienced studies which conveniently suggest they should be held in higher regard.

We have a skills shortage, but what in? I've trained to be an electrician, spent two years trying to find an apprenticeship in it, and no dice. I gave up and just picked up any old job because no-one was hiring.

I've got friends who did everything from brickwork to carpentry in the same boat.

[Mr Mystery]

When the government budgets for something, it has to account for the worst possible case scenario. Same as expensive cancer drugs, they look at maximum possible uptake. If a policy of 'free degrees for all' was announced then that's the maximum cost. One per every citizen of age. Actually I did not correlate ability to get grades or the amount of people who would die in the interim before completing degrees. But neither did I take into account the additional infrastructure, extra lecturers, classrooms, labs, etc etc. You have to draw the line somewhere with education. Saying 'free degrees for all' is pure socialist clap trap that highlights a truism I think Margaret Thatcher said: "the trouble with socialism is you run out of other people's money to spend". Looks like social housing will be more available if freedom of movement from the EU is modified, but that's a different story. Btw I would support 'a degree for all' if I thought the financial backing was there- but I can't see anyway it is.

Ah yes.mquote Thatcher. Because she most definitely didn't balls things up at all. Oh no. Mass unemployment? A myth. The industry of entire communities asset stripped? A myth.

If as you claim Government budgets are always based on 'worst case scenario', that must be why the NHS, Police, Armed Forces etc are so very well funded and not at all somehow run on a shoe string...

[grimmas]

I can't speak for your personal experience Coffee.

I do know I've had great difficulty getting, electricians, plumbers, plasterers and gas fitters to do stuff for me with anything less than a months notice. And I know my father in Law had terrible trouble getting skilled work for his transformer/power supply business before he sold it.

It might be geographical thing though different things are needed in different areas at different times.

[Psychosplodge]

When we had work done last year, the electrician the builder used was trying to be in three places at once.

[grimmas]

When we had work done last year, the electrician the builder used was trying to be in three places at once.

I bet you managed to have a Sociologist there for the full project though 😝

[Psychosplodge]

I'm pretty sure we could have got a handful

[Al Shut]

The whole Corbyn thing seems ridiculous to me. Lots of people on all sides of the political system will be fed up, no matter what direction the Brexit will take from here. They need the leader with the support of the party basis and traditional voters now more than ever.

[Psychosplodge]

Unfortunately Corbyn has split the traditional voter base, and appears mostly supported by the young - who don't bother actually voting.

[Al Shut]

Wasn't the vote for him an open one, not just party members? Unfortunately details already escape my memory.