40K End Times (Plastic Horus Heresy)

[daboarder]

cullts "YAY"

[Kirsten]

All sounds seriously awesome

[Mr Mystery]

I just hope it's true.

Given the seemingly sterling job they've done with Harlequins (I've read no moaning about them) it might just come true.

And I'd like to point out I speculated correctly, that now GW have cleared the main forces in terms of Codecies, would they be focussing on smaller, most esoteric forces. And apparently, they are.

Still shonky about Mechanicus stuff, simply because some of the rumours went really, really daft. Onager Dunestrider anyone?

[El Ploplo]

[URL="http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405659-Plastic-(GW-produced)-Warhamer-30K"]Harry says:[/URL]

Maybe a game about Unification Wars ? In fact the "mark 9" is the mark 1 power armour of the Thunder Warriors ;-)

[Path Walker]

Death Watch and Genestealer Cults I can see, its an obvious choice after seeing how they did Harlies, an Assassin boxed game is an odd one, but again, its an interesting way to release new models and get people to buy more than the one assassin they want.

I just can't see the logic of a Horus Heresy game. I can see the value in them making plastic marine armours, a lot of people are getting annoyed that they have to buy an expensive pack of resin marines only to just use the legs as they have the upgrade kits, cheaper plastic kits of basic marines to be supplemented with the FW resin legion upgrade packs would take some of the sting out of that.

Apart from that though, GW would just be taking away from 40k in its stores, not filling the hole for a smaller specialist game they're missing right now

[The Imperial Fist]

Now, plastic AdMech I can believe. Specifically because when they were asked about releasing skitarii for 30k they said not likely as that was more generic 40k than 30k and they (FW) wouldn't be doing 40k AdMech in the foreseeable future.

[Erik Setzer]

Given the seemingly sterling job they've done with Harlequins (I've read no moaning about them)

Actually, I do have *one* bit of "moaning" about them. Maybe a minor gripe, but for me it feels big.

The models' posing is too locked. Mainly, because of the terrain on their bases. The character models have a distinct lack of options, and are all posed the same on the same pieces of terrain, so having, say, three Death Jesters means three models that all look exactly the same, right down to the terrain they're standing on. You might not think that matters much, but I realized how boring it can be when I found out every Stormfiend armed with certain gear has to be built in a very specific pose and the only way to "change it up" is to shift what direction they're facing on the base.

I spent a couple hours one evening last week doing my best to change up a unit of six Harlequins so they wouldn't look too similar to the other unit. As it is, if I didn't have a bunch of older Harlequins, I'd probably not have enough for a force, because I'm not sure I can keep removing terrain from guys and finding new stuff for them to leap off of.

This shouldn't be a problem for a lot of armies they're planning, because you don't expect to run too many of the same character, or have models in basic squads posing in distinct poses on pieces of terrain.

[Lord Commissar Maxwell]

Now plastic HH kits I would be down for, simply because if GW could make the HH more accessible to me I would be very happy. I live in Kansas and when I order Forge world it takes a long time for it to get to me and a lot of times my orders are damaged in transit so i spend more time waiting for replacement parts. If Forgeworld gets distributed through GW then my life would be a whole lot easier.

[Andrew Thomas]

Now, plastic AdMech I can believe. Specifically because when they were asked about releasing skitarii for 30k they said not likely as that was more generic 40k than 30k and they (FW) wouldn't be doing 40k AdMech in the foreseeable future.

I just hope that if it's true, they give us something mean that isn't a tank. Because that would be too obvious.

[Bigred]

Some further context on plastic 30K:

via [URL="http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/635635.page#7596528"]WhispererofTruth[/URL] 2-17-2015

The starter set will be joined by a plastic heresy armour set and some plastic Skitarri over the course of the next year. The idea of these boxes is allow players to create armies that can be played in both 30k and 40k and as such expand both markets.

Both Admech and the Legions produced by FW proved to be popular beyond all expectations. So popular infact that GW can justify pumping out kits for a game that isn't even one of their core games. It's also being done as a safety nets, in case 9th ed Fantasy (Which 30k now outsells) crashes and burns, then they have 30k in place to pick up the pieces.

The Old armour kit will be a mix of armour types rather than a kit of say Mk4 armour. All parts will be of course compatible with the current Space Marine range. I do believe a plastic servitor is being done too.

and the rebuttal... via [URL="http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?405659-Plastic-(GW-produced)-Warhammer-30K&p=7386024&viewfull=1#post7386024"]Hastings[/URL] 2-17-2015

This is partially true. The "starter set" is in fact a standalone game, however I'll accept starter set as it does lead onto the main 30k game. I think it's safe to assume that 30k could/will have a different game mechanic to 40k, or it would be pretty pointless as a standalone game. Hence the reason that some boxes will contain rules for both 30 & 40k (if the rules weren't different they'd only include 1 set of rules.

It's not however a safety net for WFB, it's a replacement for lotr/hobbit on the shelves as AFAIK all of this is going direct only. WFB is going to have plenty of store presence, and regardless of what many (and indeed I) think I don't think the reboot will be bad for WFB, especially if in it's current format is failing to sell. Hell at one point it was almost totally canned. You never know new WFB might just be awesome (not finecast awesome either), however my own feelings are that the background is what makes WFB, dick with this then it isn't WFB any more, and frankly that just isn't for me. I'm going a little O/T here posting about WFB on 40k (or should that be 30k??) boards but I feel it's as good a time as any. I think what's done WFB no good is the high entry cost and investment of time & money to get a decent army, making a game that's playable as a skirmish game AND a massed battle game does make financial sense, start small, minimal initial outlay, get people interested/hooked, build and buy a bigger army, SADLY this is where GW fall down, THIS IS WHAT THEY USED TO DO YEARS AGO, with games like Heroquest, Warhammer Quest, Blood Bowl etc. get people into the Warhammer world and setting and races of that fantasy world. They lost sight of this and thought that the product was self sustaining, it isn't, there is much more competition now for peoples hard earned cash than ever before, there are many companies that do similar and in some cases better stuff than GW and people know it, because other companies use the internet etc. to their advantage, GW see it as the enemy, and they are wrong. I guarantee this thread has generated more excitement in a few short hours than crap like warhammer visions ever will, and it won't cost them hardly anything. People including me are now thinking, maybe I'll get some nids really for genestealer cults coming along, or I'll pick up an extra deathstorm box for all the nids, or whatever, that GW is SALES. Hiding away ignoring your fan base is beyond ridiculous, especially in such a niche market. The fact that Whispereroftruth said "Admech..... proved popular beyond all expectations" shows just how little they know/listen to their fanbase, as this has been one of THE most wishlisted armies for so many years it is ridiculous. Anyway enough rambling.

I honestly don't think the new WFB will crash and burn. I think it WILL bring in new blood, and after the initial nerd rage some people may actually find that all is not lost, as my good friend Harry says "BRING IT ON!!!!!"