40K End Times (Plastic Horus Heresy)

[Mr Mystery]

ribbed, because you need all the help you can get mate

Fix'd for truth!

[Kirsten]

Declining sales (mostly bolstered by price hikes).
Overly complex rules compared to the amount of mileage you actually get from them. (40k could be intensely streamlined and standardized without losing a ton when looking at other systems, IMHO of course.)
High model count compared to any other sci-fi line, even before taking into account armies that don't use power armor.

millions of pounds of profit a year

simple rules

as few or as many models as you like.

there is very little justification for a new game like there was with fantasy.

[Mr Mystery]

The declining sales thing is a tricky one to nail down....

That GW sales have had a decline is obvious - their published and independently verified annual and 6 month reports confirm this.

Exactly where those declines are? Well, nobody outside of GW knows, because they don't publish those, as they're not obliged to.

40k itself could be going good guns for all we know, and all the declines instead linked to Warhammer. We just don't know - and anyone who claims they do is talking mince, on account they have no access to anything like enough info to make that determination. No, not even if you wear a silly plastic mask and claim to have hacked GW.

[Kirsten]

financials are looking good, profit increase, modest increase in core sales. other products going down, likely to be fantasy and the hobbit stuff.

rumours of separate 30k and 40k rules are strange, it is hard to see what the point of that would be. 30k would have to stay with the current 40k rules given the quality Forge World heresy books really.

[Path Walker]

financials are looking good, profit increase, modest increase in core sales. other products going down, likely to be fantasy and the hobbit stuff.

rumours of separate 30k and 40k rules are strange, it is hard to see what the point of that would be. 30k would have to stay with the current 40k rules given the quality Forge World heresy books really.

They could make a new Heresy Game, different from the Forge World one, but with models that cross over.

[Kirsten]

could be, that seems unnecessarily complex

though actually if it is initially a stand alone game like the assassins, that could explain where these rules rumours are coming from

[Path Walker]

My inner troll hopes they do Horus Heresy with 4 pages of rules and no point values.

[Kirsten]

bad troll

[Mr Mystery]

Funny troll though!

[Kirsten]

a stand alone game could be fun, it could even represent something like the post dropsite massacre evacuation, small squads on each side, set scenarios.