40K End Times (Plastic Horus Heresy)

[Charon]

Everything I've ever seen (included polls on this forum, for example) shows that 20% whose primary interest in the hobby is about playing the games is about right, most people will do all of it but they're mostly in it for the modelling/painting/collecting/socialising aspect and the game is just something that ties all that together. GW weren't saying that only 20% have every played the game, just that its the primary focus for only about 20% of their customers.

First of all. No.
It was nearly 50% on this forum who voted on primary gaming (narrative or otherwise). Some of the rest who voted "painting" even commented that they chose painting because that is what they do most of the time but they would not paint a single GW model without the game in the background to collect, model or paint models for.

Second. If that was really really really true, there was no reason to publish AOS. I mean AOS is just a game like WHFB was. The minis are the same to paint, collect, assemble and model. If the majority of their clients would not care about the game at all, there is no reason to publish games at all. Let that do other companies and just supply miniatures like every other miniature company out there,
They do know damn well that the game is a big reason why people do buy their products and buy multiples of the same model/unit.

[Kirsten]

a three digit price is hardly surprising for the kind of contents that are being rumoured. the thirty tactical marines alone get it to practically that point, two characters, ten terminators, a dread, and possibly some sort of dread killer make this still incredible value at £120.

as I have said before, these were never going to be push fit starter models, that would be a total waste of time.

[Erik Setzer]

Dark Vengeance showed what they can do with push-fit. Still, I didn't expect that here, because I imagine they're going to save production costs by just using the same stuff in the starter box and other boxes. (I am, however, surprised the "entry-level" AoS didn't go push-fit.)

If it has a lot of stuff, it'd justify the price tag, but at the same time, a smaller box with a smaller price is more likely to get buyers. You want to get someone's foot in the door, right? But if the comments that this is aimed toward the extremely small number of "veteran hobbyists" are true, then I guess it makes sense to not worry about attracting new people.

[Kirsten]

it doesn't matter what the quality of the push fit stuff is, the Heresy release was never going to be in that format because it needs to be compatible with Forge World.

as for the price, it depends on the set. this isn't necessarily a starter set, and so doesn't need to get people interested. the space marines are always massive, and the Heresy has been hugely popular.

[General Lee]

anything news to report?

[Bigred]

Putting it all together:

via Warseer's [URL="http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?412928-Horus-Heresy-Plastics-in-late-2015-Mk-II&p=7551483#post7551483"]Grissim2006[/URL] over the last couple of months

"I've actually heard they are going with a plastic Contemptor kit and heard it off multiple sources who've never once in 15+ yrs steered me wrong.

The think with starter box sets the plastics for the core games in them are never designed in line with how the rest of the plastic ranges go. They are designed to be simpler in the putting together because they are design as a hobby starter kit as such they make it as easy as possible to get a person up and running with the core basics supplied in the box. With HH they know at the end of the day they do not need not to this marketing ploy the other whelming majority of sales are going to be coming from experienced hobbiests.

Well according to my sources within GW the price tag floating around in here of it being £95 is wrong and it's going to be a three figure price tag.

I'll expand slightly on the thinking behind why the pricing is likely to be in the realms of what i keep on hearing. The current think is that GW is looking at three gaming systems AOS being the first stage entry level gaming quick to pick up and play and complete with free rules. 40K more complex game to play and greater cost due to codices add ons etc.. Horus Hersey being the top end of the gaming spectrum and aimed at veterans/experienced gamers supposedly complete with even more complex rules.

Ohh and just to add into the mix there may not be just one set release but TWO!!

I can see how one can think Marine on Marine will be simpler. But the formations the weapons the specialist rules that each chapter had could be become a lot more engaging and much bigger than that of the chapter tactics we currently have. We are talking about an era in which the Primarchs were in command not a set of chapter masters that we currently have. A marine is a remarkable creation but that could never achieve what the Primarchs could. There are units that operated weapons and other things all lost with the Hersey. The game is set while all that stuff is very much still there for use and hasn't become the stuff of legends and myths. So there is plenty of scope for it to be more complex even if the basic starting block isn't that gets supplied in the box which is meant to be PACKED to the GILLS.

Right guys you need to keep yourselves at the ready for dates the 7th and 14th of November

As to the what you can expect i already hinted on that pages back that it wasn't planned at being a single box release or a stand alone release."

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

The think with starter box sets the plastics for the core games in them are never designed in line with how the rest of the plastic ranges go. They are designed to be simpler in the putting together

But we've already seen leaks of the plastic Heresy marines that were designed in the style of a standard Power Armour box set. Hmm.

[Mr Mystery]

Yarp.

Though it might be worth noting that the recent campaign boxes feature a unique special character, and sprues otherwise available in their own box.

It's literally the starter sets (Dark Vengeance and AoS) which feature simplified kits.

I'm not sure about the above rumours....can anyone confirm if the originator has good form?

[Defenestratus]

As an almost exclusive Xenos player (and really only grudgingly have a token imperial force) this development of 30k as the "veterans" edition is very, very scary.

The fragmentation of an already sparse player base could be catastrophic for someone like me who would rather keep playing my pointy-ears than blow the dust off of my BA/GK.

[Mr Mystery]

If there's any truth to it whatsoever.

It could be as simple as plasticification of the more basic HH kits, freeing up FW to focus on the swankier stuff. There's already lots of units not realised in model form, and as they go along that list is just expanding.

Put out the basics in plastics (including stuff like weapons and shoulder pads) and the design team can then produce the natty stuff as their priority.

So far as I can tell, about the only thing we know for sure is that a dual character sprue and multi-part 'phwoar those are nice' MkIV plastics are on the way. The rest is just rumours.

Remember, at this stage with AoS many would-be rumour mongers were waaaaaay off the mark still.