Fearless? ATSKNF? Help please.

[Lord Manton]

Morning, Loungers.

I played my first game of 7th in quite a while yesterday (I've been playing fantasy, ok? gimme a break). It was a game between CSM and SW and Fearless and ATSKNF raised a couple of issues for us.

In previous editions, Fearless said that when you lost combat, rather than fleeing, you automatically passed your morale check and simply took a number of wounds, equal to the number by which you lost combat, allowing saves. ATSKNF was similar: lose combat, fail morale, and run, except that if you got caught in a sweeping advance, rather than being cut down mercilessly, your men turned and fought on, suffering a number of wounds equal to the number by which you lost combat, allowing saves.

Is this the case in 7th? I couldn't find anything in the rulebook about it. So as I read it, in the current edition, fearless means you pass morale and pinning and leadership checks, automatically, with absolutely no downside other than being stuck in a combat you might not want to be stuck in. The same with ATSKNF; Space Marines simply can't be cut down anymore, at all.

Also, do flamers have any effect on overwatch? Or did I imagine that?

Thanks for the help in advance.

[Lost Vyper]

Fearless = Can´t go to ground, do not run away from the match
ATSKNF = Can go to ground, flee from fight if failed morale AND rolled higher from the Initiative test. If rolled less, is not wiped out, but stuck in combat with no negative effects.
Flamers = d3/Flamer automatic hits in the Overwatch

- Lost Vyper

[JMichael]

Fearless = Can´t go to ground, do not run away from the match
ATSKNF = Can go to ground, flee from fight if failed morale AND rolled higher from the Initiative test. If rolled less, is not wiped out, but stuck in combat with no negative effects.
Flamers = d3/Flamer automatic hits in the Overwatch

- Lost Vyper

Lost Vyper is right on.
And some page #'s for your reference.
ATSKNF: p157
Fearless: p163
Assault and Morale: p53 Both ATSKNF and Fearless Automatically pass Morale checks, and thus the combat is a draw.

Template weapons and Overwatch: p173

[Houghten]

Assault and Morale: p53 Both ATSKNF and Fearless Automatically pass Morale checks, and thus the combat is a draw.

I can't find this anywhere on p53. And I'm pretty sure ATSKNF doesn't automatically pass Morale, just Regroup and Fear.

[Lost Vyper]

And I'm pretty sure ATSKNF doesn't automatically pass Morale, just Regroup and Fear.

This! I face marines almost in every game, i know

[JMichael]

This! I face marines almost in every game, i know

Oops, sorry. I should have double checked that before typing it.

[Lord Manton]

Thanks a lot for the help, guys!