The State of Chaos Today

**This Dave** · 03-18-2015, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reldane

hold on! lets have a look at this shall we?

Troops
we have Cadian and catachn in plastic, Tallarn, Valhallan, steel legion, vostroyan and Mordian iron guard all in metal. okay well you can argue that they are suplemtary but how about our specail weapons? you know those things that every vets squad takes 3 of? yup metal blister packs.

HQ
Straken - metal, Advisers - metal, Techpreist - metal, Primaris psyker - metal, Pask - metal and with Creed, Kell and Yarrick in fine cast

others slots
actauly not too bad, just Ratlings, Wyrdvane psykers in metal and no Rought Riders to speak of. (Vendetta being a forgeworld resin upgrade kit)

if it wasn't for the fact that special weapons are still metal blister packs containing 2 different weapons that depend on the faction I might have let it slide, but it is still nearly impossible to build a Guard army that does not contain metal, finecast and plastic models. also you mention the age of some of the chaos models as a point against them but you seem to be forgetting that the basic guardsmen are just as old.

I'm not trying to say Chaos doesn't deserve some new models at some point but Astra Militarum are far from being all plastic as well (because someone decided what we needed was new betterer twice the cost ogryn and a vehicle (taurox) that offers almost no advantages over the existing Chimera)

Actually you don't need metal packs to put special weapons in Guard squads. The basic infantry packs have Grenade Launchers and Flamers. The Command Squad boxes include Meltaguns, Sniper Rifles, Plasmaguns, and Heavy Flamers. And if you've ever built Marines you should have multiple Imperial weapons lying around that work just fine with Guard infantry.

**Thornblood** · 03-18-2015, 09:45 AM

I'm afraid that I've come to rain on this parade a little. Gw has re-released the 40k range and slowly moved to plastic. It's been a careful and slow process because GW is also a company that has to be careful about making profit- specifically more profit than this time last year. New releases have to sell to keep the company afloat. For instance harlequins are a third eldar faction in their own right now, but this Is because the same models could work for both eldar and dark eldar. Similarly the Knights appealed to all the imperial factions. In addition the vanilla marine codex released tac marines, sternguard and vanguard which I'm sure lots of blood Angels players invested in, only to have their own blood Angels tac marines at a later date, gw has cashed in on the blood angel players over and over. Planned methodical. Low risk releases. Eldar desperately need aspect warriors more than we (chaos) needs new models.

The cure; I do agree the oblits and cc alternates look horrific. Like some of the worst looking models currently in the range. Last year I started an iron warriors army, and the answer for me was forgeworld. All those lovely heresy kits. The models are far better than anything gw can make in plastic. A friend made a unit of khorne berserkers from the fw kit and raptor arms, for those really vicious looking ccws and they look beautiful and deadly. I'm afraid, for nice models, forgeworld is the answer. And I know forgeworld is more expensive but you pay for what you get. 5 plastic marines for 15.50 or 23.50 for 5 forgeworld heresy marines.its a big mark up but I can't see me going back to gw plastics.

The future; so we are in the midst of a big khorne release at the moment, which Rumor has it will include a new 40k daemon codex, which lends itself nicely to raise the profile of each chaos god one by one and make a 40k release for them, filling out the range with the upsell of adding allies with the same mark of chaos as the main daemon force. It's good, it's themeatic. I would then like to see (and now I'm wishlisting) cult codexs- the new codexs have contained more and more conversions, so there are more and more possibilities. Each dex could give you a god-themed army of both Daemons, chaos marines and some stuff that's in between. A single god themed possessed/chosen unit. 4 codexs later there is a new renegade chaos space marine book, maybe focussing on Huron black heart, crimson Sabres, Fabius bile, and the like. Next up they release the other chaos legions, and with the iron warriors their chosen/possessed unit it oblits and a kit! Maybe a plastic. Warsmith too. Maybe havocs too (or maybe they go with the main renegade dex). Word bearers with a plastic dark apostle/sorcerer for all, maybe a new daemon engine, or daemon Knights with iron warriors and word bearers together. Night lords with a new dual flyer. Alpha Legion with something new and sneaky, or maybe something to boost the cultist sub faction.

Rant over. Sorry.

**DrBored** · 03-18-2015, 11:50 AM

To the DA players:

You are a subset of Space Marines.

You are one chapter of Space Marines out of a thousand.

Your chapter should have been absorbed into the regular Space Marine dex just like Black Templar was.

The Chaos Space Marine codex is supposed to cover ALL of the Chaos Marines. ALL of the Warbands. ALL of the Legions (though it doesn't) which is a LOT MORE marines of more varied flavor than Dark Angels.

Quit making it sound like you're the hottest cheese, GW's favorites, or even worthy of getting appropriate attention. You are a Supplement, and when it comes to Chaos Marines, Eldar, and even Sisters of Battle, your complaints are insignificant.

**Houghten** · 03-18-2015, 01:33 PM