Is Forgeworld the new Meta?

[Vaktathi]

They're still experimental, but there are some events that have allowed them, including GW's Throne of Skulls, though events like the LVO obviously would not.

Tetra's though, at least in my experience, have been pretty popular where FW isn't an issue.

[Popsical]

So if you think the question of this thread is pointless, why bother posting here? And about Tau, they would be mistaken.

No. Im saying that complaining that FW provide good units to some armies and not to others is a poor premiss for disliking them.
Codexs provide just as much disparity in quality and number of units to each army as FW, ask daboarder or any other csm player.
Are formations evenly distributed?
Does GW give a rats bottom?
Do marine players deserve to be penalised because their army gets the most love?
Too many people take this hobby too seriously and think GW are purposefully slapping them in the face with a wet fish.

[ShadowcatX]

No. Im saying that complaining that FW provide good units to some armies and not to others is a poor premiss for disliking them.
Codexs provide just as much disparity in quality and number of units to each army as FW, ask daboarder or any other csm player.
Are formations evenly distributed?
Does GW give a rats bottom?
Do marine players deserve to be penalised because their army gets the most love?
Too many people take this hobby too seriously and think GW are purposefully slapping them in the face with a wet fish.

When did restricting people to models designed for this game by GW become penalising them? Entitled much?

[Vaktathi]

When did restricting people to models designed for this game by GW become penalising them? Entitled much?

Are we implying that FW models aren't designed for 40k?

Or is the argument that wanting to use FW stuff makes one "entitled"?

[Auticus]

Wow I had hoped this topic would have burned in a fire when vanilla-40k 5th edition died in a fire with it.

Forge world is indeed generally accepted now by most tournament organizers though not universally. In my area, there are a couple of groups that won't let you use it but the remainder of the events do.

Most of the big tournaments that everyone tries to use as a standard also allow forge world now.

[Popsical]

Sadly the anti FW and game balance arguements will probably never go away.
Some folks just want to moan at any opportunity.
The more options GW give us to play with, the more reasons the moaners get to moan.

[ShadowcatX]

Are we implying that FW models aren't designed for 40k?

Or is the argument that wanting to use FW stuff makes one "entitled"?

30k models aren't designed for 40k. And claiming you are penalized by not being able to use them is a casebook example of entitlement.

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Sadly the anti FW and game balance arguements will probably never go away.
Some folks just want to moan at any opportunity.
The more options GW give us to play with, the more reasons the moaners get to moan.

And some people will always complain that others are complaining, even when they do no such thing. If you will notice, I have not passed judgment of rather or not their inclusion is good, simply that it does shape the meta.

[Charistoph]

Right now, I find it rather amusing. A lot of stuff you can get from Forgeworld is amazing, and can be quite overpowered. Except that they usually (not always, just mostly) charge more points for all their changes than Citadel has for the last 10 years.

In short, sure its powerful, but you pay for it.

[Renegade]

As an Imperial Guard player it is simply the further diversity in units, and diversity is a good thing, not to mention being able taking units that were previously available in the codex.

IG don't have to go FW to get decent units, but they do to get some upgrades and specialised kit while pay for every point and every penny.

I don't think that FW is the new meta, but I do think that it keeps the meta from setting to much (Eldar winge about secarian while have that whole shield thing).

[Vaktathi]

30k models aren't designed for 40k. And claiming you are penalized by not being able to use them is a casebook example of entitlement.

Did I miss something about 30k-specific units? AFAIK nobody is trying to bring Angron to a 40k game.

That said, there's a grip of models that have rules for both 30k and 40k, and they should absolutely be able to be used in 40k.

Likewise, even 30k HH stuff is still designed to use the same underlying core ruleset, just balanced around a different set of restrictions, and really, with 7E's formations, alternate detachments, and allies rules, even that's not particularly off-kilter anymore.