Stop Your Whinging!

[Lord Manton]

Alright, engage rant.

I am so f***ing sick of hearing people trot out the same c**p. You can't go a day without someone b****ing about how X army is broken or Y army hasn't been updated in years or the whole game is completely useless and not playable (though the fact that the vast majority of gamers play this game would suggest it is). It's not balanced, it doesn't match the fluff, it's not designed for tournaments, there aren't enough FAQs, it's not playtested or it's not realistic.

Shut up! Enough already. We live in the age of the internet. You can open your computer, tap a keyboard, leave a semi-coherent thought on a forum and engage with someone all the way on the other side of the world. The beauty of this is that we are able to engage with people who share our passions and interests that we may never have known even existed otherwise.

What's my point? Am I just going to b***h about b****ing? No. What I am going to do is offer a solution. The other day on Faeit212, there was a response from GW about round bases in WHFB. The gist of the response was "we have your money, do whatever you want with the models". Now, obviously they mean in the sense of basing them however we want. BUT, the next day, Mantic came out and said "hey, you've got a sweet Fantasy army, why not play it using our rules?"

This begs the question: why don't we just come up with our own rules? I'll admit guilt here. I, like most of you, am too busy and too lazy to write my own rules system. But I'm also big enough to admit that I'm in no way qualified or gifted enough to write an all encompassing and coherent rule set for a game. But I remember before Forgeworld released Legion rules and the Horus Heresy supplement, BoLS did it first. Sadly, I never got the chance to play it, but by all accounts it was a heap of fun. Surely one of us, or a select group of us are interested and skilled enough to do this. Call it Fight-Weapon 40million and put it out there. Make a dedicated forum and when people pi$$ and moan on it, ask them why they don't like it and try to find a way to fix it.

At the end of the day, GW want to be just a model company, they're not interested in creating a rule set that accurately reflects the game while also being a truly balanced and competition ready game. That's fine. Let's take that in our stride and get cracking on a sweet new game that lets us use some of the best miniatures available in a game that satisfies our urge to beat face.

Fluff bunnies can stick to 40k official, and even the hardcores will still play it for funsies from time to time.

It's just a thought. Any ideas?

End rant.

[ShadowcatX]

"Give up the game you love to use house rules" is not an acceptable solution to "I wish this game was balanced".

[Charon]

At the end of the day, GW want to be just a model company, they're not interested in creating a rule set that accurately reflects the game while also being a truly balanced and competition ready game.

then maybe they should stop selling "rules" for nearly 50 € ?
Let them be a pure model company and see how many people still buy their models when there are no rules at all.
Or *shock* give away their "rules" for free? On the other side... they can't even be arsed to put up FAQs on a regular base.

The problem with home brew rules is (while some are really good), they are not accepted/known everywhere.
If I want to pick up a game of 40k right now, I can go to a club, FLGS,... and play with a ruleset everybody that owns 40k knows.
If I want to play against you, bring my army and tell you "I have created my army by Jims awesome Warhamster 39 + 1 Millenimum ruleset v1.4" you will probably have no idea what I am talking about.
Also, only a few players bother to use forums.

[Mr Mystery]

Or you should not pay for a game you don't enjoy, and instead invest those funds in something you do enjoy.

I'm with the OP. Many people have grumbles and issues with the game - that's human nature. But when you drop into a thread only to find the Droop Group once again trotting out the same old whinges, it gets old fast.

[Psychosplodge]

Isn't saying "Why don't we just create our own rules because X is broken" still *****ing about the rules?

[Kirsten]

the game is balanced. any faction can beat any other. if you can't, then you suck, not the rules.

[daboarder]

the game is balanced. any faction can beat any other. if you can't, then you suck, not the rules.

we need a head shaking emoji, just so much head shaking

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I think we can all agree its the players who dont care if their opponent has fun, who is at fault.
Playing to win, fine.
Playing to a story, fine.
Ignoring the whole point of the hobby, fun, not fine at all.
Its pick up games where this is the biggest problem.
Tournament organisers need only state their intent to curb too many problems.
Turn up to an everyday tournament with fluff list, then suffer the consequences.
Turn up to a fluffy tournament with a WAAC list, and expect the venom.

sure, all this is well and good, but better balance and game design helps everyone immeasurably.

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You might be sick of moaners but I'm sick of people who treat any criticism of 40k or GW like a personal insult. I'm not a tournament gamer (I've never even entered a tournament) but even my little gaming group wishes there was a bit more rules balance. That's all. We just want a better-written game. We're not trying to suck all the fun out of your hobby, we're not uber competitive meta-gamers and we're not trying to kill GW or something, we just want better, tighter rules.

Yes, 40k is fun in its current state, but we think it'd be MORE fun with a more balanced ruleset. Maybe stop trying to paint people like us as meta-obsessed, hyper-competitive douches, just because we're offering an opinion on what would make the game better for us. That's our right as consumers and if you don't like it, don't read it.

HAHAHA This^

[Deadlift]

Case in point, I would love to play a Imperial Knight army, but I won't because I don't want to be labeled......that guy.
In fact I'd be embarrassed to roll up with 3 knights and that's a bit of a shame.

[Mr Mystery]

Isn't saying "Why don't we just create our own rules because X is broken" still *****ing about the rules?

Not really. Serial whining is circular, and just goes on and on and on - hence it gets tiresome.

Those who chip in with 'Rule A really doesn't work for me, so my friends and I adapted it to Rule A1, a house rule'. That's constructive, and gives path to further discussion and chit chat.

Consider how many 'OMG NEW TOY' threads have been derailed not by the Horsemen, but by those lamenting the state of their own army. Sucks all the joy out of it, because they just won't leave it.

It's not a case of not empathising or sympathising - it's just we've heard it all before, so why keep going on about it? We're not GW. We have no control over what comes and when. The game does have some issues, but the way some of the complaints come over, you'd think it's part of a carefully targeted campaign by GW to annoy certain people for reasons best known to themselves.

[CoffeeGrunt]

The annoying part is when said whining bleeds into the local store, and a group that was otherwise enjoying 40K despite its flaws gets filled up by the negativity of a relative few and slowly drop out of it. We ended up having to ban b**ching about other games. (I was guilty of it as well towards WarmaHordes, a game that simply doesn't scratch my itch, and was mainly pushed on me repeatedly over the course of a few months by ex 40K players.)

Personally I don't like tournament play or metagaming or anything like that. Most of my games are organised in advance with a friend, we give each other a heads-up on what we're taking, and the games end up going pretty well as a result. So if I'm bringing a horde of Russes or a buffed-up Bullgryn blob, then I'll give my opponents a heads-up. In turn, I'll know whether my friend is bringing his Eldar or Orks that day, and whether the Stompa will make an appearance or not.

I dunno, 40K has been impossible to replace for me, there's no game I've tried that really captures the scale, customisation and lore. I'm getting into Bolt Action with a Soviet army, but that's going to be a very different game I'll play when I feel like it. I don't think I'll ever get sick of playing my Guard atm, as the Codex has a decent enough variety of builds that it keeps me occupied for the one or two games I play each week.

Not to mention I would much rather build and paint any GW model than assemble another Legion of Everblgiht starter box...