Thought Experiment: Reducing Abusability

[Adam Richard Corrigan]

I would make blast markers able to affect troops in an open top vehicle if the centre point of the blast marker is within the vehicle otherwise the sides of the vehicle protect them from the blast. The current rules make no sense and make open topped vehicles which are cheap too effective unless you have template weapons. All Psychic powers should be able to be cast (using fire points for LOS) from vehicles but add one to the warp charge required to take into account the bumpy ride.

[Haighus]

More options like Carapace armour for rough riders would be good, as well as the option to take lasguns in addition to other equipment (like Afghanistani cavalry wielding jezails in the 19th century), but making them cheaper would probably be the way to go.

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, I think a lot of edits would be good.

Man, I need to break out my notebook and start writing in my lunch break...

[CoffeeGrunt]

More options like Carapace armour for rough riders would be good, as well as the option to take lasguns in addition to other equipment (like Afghanistani cavalry wielding jezails in the 19th century), but making them cheaper would probably be the way to go.

Yeah, the only problem is Carapace Armour is described as bulky and heavy, those poor horses. Maybe go the other way and make them like Deathriders? More expensive, but very much worth it.

For a one-use unit that only matters in the first round of combat though, you don't want to be overspending on them. :/

[Dave Mcturk]

remove all 2+ armour - give all 2+ armour types an extra wound ! - possibly remove instant death from multi-wound models [ie give them eternal warrior]

remove all AP2 weapons and make AP 1 weapons AP3 v 'non-vehicle targets' - i mean really: "quick shoot that gaunt with your shoulder mounted las-cannon !"

the m/c / vehicle issue is too complicated to fix !

[CoffeeGrunt]

remove all 2+ armour - give all 2+ armour types an extra wound ! - possibly remove instant death from multi-wound models [ie give them eternal warrior]

remove all AP2 weapons and make AP 1 weapons AP3 v 'non-vehicle targets' - i mean really: "quick shoot that gaunt with your shoulder mounted las-cannon !"

the m/c / vehicle issue is too complicated to fix !

Hmm, but then you have Terminators getting annihilated by Battle Cannons. Not to mention them being still as vulnerable to massed fire. 2+ Saves occupy a pretty important niche.

[Haighus]

Yeah, the only problem is Carapace Armour is described as bulky and heavy, those poor horses. Maybe go the other way and make them like Deathriders? More expensive, but very much worth it.

For a one-use unit that only matters in the first round of combat though, you don't want to be overspending on them. :/

Sounds like a very similar description to full plate:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm11yAXeegg[/url]
I'm pretty sure specially bred horses could cope with it, basically allows Knights in space from feudal worlds IMO.
Yeah, but then the rough riders would have to be less points in the first place I think.

I agree that 2+ saves have a place.

[CoffeeGrunt]

Hmm, I suppose it's possible. Leaving them with Flak Armour base would allow you to do the Atillan approach as well. I mainly wanna run dirt biker gangs, but they're so fragile it's hard to make them matter.

[jeffersonian000]

The easiest change is the remove Battle Brothers from the Allies matrix, and make Allies of Convenience to highest level of Alliance. Most problems would be solved with just that one change.

SJ

[Dave Mcturk]

Hmm, but then you have Terminators getting annihilated by Battle Cannons. Not to mention them being still as vulnerable to massed fire. 2+ Saves occupy a pretty important niche.

no you wouldnt - not with one shot - cos all termis would have two wounds - and they still have a 5++, but its a bit radical maybe.