How would you fix the weakest codex?

[Fueldrop]

How does this sound?

Bloodbrides can either be Bloodbride Hunters or Bloodbride Breakers.

All witches and bloodbrides get Poisoned attacks (4+), and counterattack on top of what they currently have (I think, remember I'm working off memory here)

Bloodbride hunters are your anti heavy infantry/monstrous creature. They get Precision Strikes, Rend, and Monster Hunter and are outfitted with haywire grenades.

Bloodbride Breakers are anti-horde specialists. They get Rampage, Preferred Enemy, and Rage and are outfitted with defensive grenades.

[Archon Charybdis]

I doubt we'd see two profiles for Bloodbrides, but either one would be a great suite of upgrades to give Bloodbrides SOMETHING to make them stand out. Regular wyches definitely still need something too though, even if not Rending, or else they need a 3 or 4pt drop. They're just so useless as they are. I think extending their Dodge save to shooting (even if only as a 5+ cover) would go a long way, but they could also use something to give them a bit more killing power. Right now they've got the glass part down pat but seem to have forgotten about the hammer aspect.

[Charon]

I don't even want a points decrease. They can esily get points INCREASE and act as a banshee stand in because if you spend more points on a transport (that is an actual transport and not a tank with multiple heavy weapons that happens to have a troop compartment) than on the troops you intend to deliver you might as well just skip both.

[Archon Charybdis]

I don't even want a points decrease.

I wouldn't either, I just meant to point out that as they are they're pathetically overcosted. Even back in 5th ed I don't think they were worth their points, and that was back when melee was king and wyche weapons were pretty good. Somebody suggested earlier in the thread to have PfP start with FNP 5+, and that would go a long way towards fixing Wyches and a lot of other units--actually giving them a bit of durability that reflects their points. Having over half of all the factions in the game not be immune to Fear would fix a lot of units/options for DE too, though that might be a bit far afield for the discussion here.

[Dave Mcturk]

i dont think DE are that bad !

some of the old builds are now ineffective - but there is lots of good stuff - and as long as you dont play on billiard tables - the DE should be ok for 2 turns until their power from pain kicks in -

the main 'trick' with DE as far as i can see is not to 'over-commit' too early in the game - whereas it used to be 'whizz - whizz' from turn one.

and god knows why they changed 'phantasm grenades' !

[Charon]

Yeah.. im sure nobody figured that out yet...
Play 20 games DE vs Eldar and try again. This matchup is plain not winnable at the moment. Not even with a points advantage and a random rolled out eldar army. Unbeaten in 20 games now against someone I use to play very close games (with other armies) against. Get him tabled by turn 4 most of the time without suffering any major casualties.
Seems almost like he suddenly forgot how to play and I am a tactical genius now... can't possibly be the army.

[Fueldrop]

Yeah.. im sure nobody figured that out yet...
Play 20 games DE vs Eldar and try again. This matchup is plain not winnable at the moment. Not even with a points advantage and a random rolled out eldar army. Unbeaten in 20 games now against someone I use to play very close games (with other armies) against. Get him tabled by turn 4 most of the time without suffering any major casualties.
Seems almost like he suddenly forgot how to play and I am a tactical genius now... can't possibly be the army.

Yeah, it does sound like some tactical gen... CREEEEEED!