Some factions need better names...

[Psychosplodge]

How can that which they do not possess be challenged?

[Fueldrop]

How can that which they do not possess be challenged?

*Splutters incoherently*

[Psychosplodge]

*Splutters incoherently*

Your impotent rage will get you nowhere, splitter.

[Drew da Destroya]

Meh screw you all, I say they should all be named from a Necron perspective so :

Codex : 01001111 01110010 01101011 01110011

Codex : 0100010101101100011001000110000101110010

Codex : 01001110011001010110001101110010011011110110111001 110011

Codex : 01010011011100000110000101100011011001010010000001 00110101100001011100100110100101101110011001010111 0011

Codex : 01010100011110010111001001100001011011100110100101 10010001110011

Codex : 01001001011011010111000001100101011100100110100101 10000101101100001000000100011101110101011000010111 001001100100

Codex : 01000100011000010111001001101011001000000100010101 101100011001000110000101110010

Codex : 01001101011001010110001101101000011000010110111001 101001011000110111010101110011




There, much better!

Well, that'd work for the OG Necron, but today's New Necron is a much different force. Therefore, they'd have:

Codex: Not us, and therefore worthless chattel.
Codex: Best Budz (Blood Angels)

[Katharon]

I've actually never read a book where a 'Dark Mechanicus' member actually calls themselves by that name. Rather, it is always a loyalist Mechanicus member who denotes them as such. This topic is actually addressed in Chapter Three of "Angel Exterminatus" when the following conversation takes place between some Iron Warriors:



Pioneer crews passed them on their way uphill, followed by cadres of black-robed tech-priests and their walking, crawling and floating palanquins. Outlandish beyond any sane requirements of function, they were abhorrent monstrous things, bulbous, many-limbed and empowered by uncounted forms of locomotions.

"Vultures picking upon a corpse," said Falk with distaste.

"The Pneumachina?" asked Forrix.

"Is that what they're calling themselves now?"

"So I hear," said Forrix, watching as a heavy, segmented construction engine moved uphill on tracked cog-wheels with a rippling peristaltic motion....Hooded adepts wearing smoke-belching backpacks that reeked of embalming fluids and curdled lubricants lashed the slaves with barbed flails, reciting nonsense numbers and atonal braying vocalisations.


So, to answer your question and apparent mania over this -- it's been solved! Or at least that is what this particular branch of the schismatic Adeptus Mechanicus called itself. It's quite possible that this is a separate sect of the newly broken off schismatics, but unless someone has other, better sources for names, then this seems to be it.

[YorkNecromancer]

So, to answer your question and apparent mania over this -- it's been solved!

Ahem.

As I said in the very first post, I have been reading/suffering through 'Mechanicum', which is entirely about the Martian Civil War, where Kelbor-Hal, the Fabricator-General allies with Horus and seizes the planet for Chaos.

And in this novel, it explicitly states that Kelbor-Hal's faction names themselves the Dark Mechanicus. The name comes from the improbably-named Traitor Mechanicum Adept Urtzi Malevolus. That's worse than a 'Star Wars' name!

Ahem.

Anyway, at no stage are they called the Pneumachina, which is a shame, because that's a great name that makes sense. No, they name themselves The Dark Mechanicus'. It explicitly states that they do this stupid, stupid thing. In the novel. That I just read. So if another books says different, that doesn't make the other book right; what it means is that the writers/editors didn't talk beforehand, and that's okay with me, because f**k canon, just tell good stories.

Any road, it's good to know this 'Dark Mechanicum' nonsense is a case of [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DependingOnTheWriter]Depending On The Writer.[/url]

So that's something at least.

And it's hardly a mania. I just f**king hate bad speculative fiction. By which I mean



On an un/related topic, I reached the end of 'Mechanicum' today. Does anyone know: are there any Black Library books that don't feature epic battles? The fate of worlds in the balance? Because everyone deserves a second chance, but if they're all full of that, I don't think I'll bother again.

[Anggul]

I'm pretty sure the Dark Eldar don't actually call themselves that at all. They might refer to themselves as Commorite, but generally they wouldn't use any kind of descriptive. That said, the Dark Eldar, unlike the point you first made, are well aware that they're evil and they love it. They see themselves as having the right to do what they want and inflict untold suffering on whomever they want to. They know what they're doing is horrible and that just encourages them, but they still don't call themselves 'Dark Eldar', though I expect they often use the term 'Dark Kin' when interacting with other Eldar factions just to mess with them.

As for the Dark Mechanicum, I suppose it's possibly like the chaos marines. They're well aware that they're turning to dark powers to accomplish their goals. They see themselves as being in the right yes, but that doesn't mean they're ignorant of daemons being generally a bad thing. He could have been acknowledging that they were utilising powers that the Mechanicum would have considered dark for the sake of furthering their interests.

It is a silly name though, they could have used a better word. Mechanicum Maleficarum would have been amusing. Mechanic witches. It would be an appropriate acknowledgement of the lengths they're going to, and what they know they'll be branded as by their previous peers. I have no idea if that actually works in terms of Latin, I'm flailing in the pool of Latin like a total mug here, but 40k has never exactly used it correctly.

On that note, they would be using different words. They aren't speaking English, 'dark' could just be the closest English equivalent. It gets the point across.

[Fueldrop]

I'm pretty sure the Dark Eldar don't actually call themselves that at all. They might refer to themselves as Commorite, but generally they wouldn't use any kind of descriptive. That said, the Dark Eldar, unlike the point you first made, are well aware that they're evil and they love it. They see themselves as having the right to do what they want and inflict untold suffering on whomever they want to. They know what they're doing is horrible and that just encourages them, but they still don't call themselves 'Dark Eldar', though I expect they often use the term 'Dark Kin' when interacting with other Eldar factions just to mess with them.

We are the True Kin, thank you very much. Damn Craftworlder pretenders.

[completeHook]

I actually feel stupider for having gotten through it. Does anyone know: are there any Black Library books that don't feature epic battles? The fate of worlds in the balance? Because everyone deserves a second chance, but if they're all full of sh!te like that, I really am never bothering with a single non-artwork BL publication again.

I've just finished The Outcast Dead, it is set on Terra and is about an Astropath with PTSD. It gives an interesting insight into the culture of the Astropaths and Terra both pre and post Unity. The unusual thing about it for a BL novel is the main protagonist is ruled by fear but this isn't something he is punished for. I prefer world building to bolter porn so I do get where you are coming from; the enormous battles can often become weightless, suffering from the same problem CGI heavy action films often do. Because there are no real limits on scale anything is possible so consequently nothing feels real and you cease to care.

It is what it is though, just (mostly) well executed genre fiction. The amount these guys churn out you need to look past the occasional hand mysteriously growing back and enjoy it for what it is.

[Mr Mystery]

On the main topic....I've always seen the naming as being Imperium centric.

It's doubtful the Dark Eldar call themselves such, ditto the Traitor Legions probably don't even consider themselves to be Traitors.