Sympathy for the Devil - favourite Traitor Primarchs.

[Charon]

Also, I don't buy the Cabal stuff. I feel like A/O have been totally played by the Cabal. Pretty much every other portrayal of divination in the Warhammer 30k/40k background shows many, many threads of the future, with hundreds of possible outcomes, yet here there were only two? I personally reckon that the Cabal wants to destroy humankind, and basically duped the Alpha Legion and showed them only what suited them for their goals. This is especially true when looking in hindsight and knowing that the Alpha Legion taking the path they did actually led to the outcome they were supposedly trying to avoid- what if the Alpha Legion had sided with the Emperor, and Horus had been defeated thoroughly? The Cabal intended that outcome IMO.

Ties in with how Chaos works.
Yes, the cabal wants to eradicate the human race. Because they want to destroy Chaos. Chaos and humans are tied closely. Chaos was not a big problem before the rise of mankind. They did exist and they had entire races to do their bidding but that was rather a minor annoyance in the face of Eldar/Necrontyr/Old One/Enslaver power.
Basically the emperor was on the same road and also could have succeeded in theory with his mission of removing all belief systems from mankind. But as the priest of the last church on earth told him "People will always believe".

Yes there are more fututes than two. But as the Eldar see it, they eliminate the most unlikely. And in this case the draw between the Emperor and Horus was highly unlikely. This was actually the only scenario in which Chaos did actually win and could exist further. In both other cases the Choas gods would have starved slowly and eventually get back to their former state of beeing powerful but irrelevant.

[Path Walker]

Shocked at people discounting Angron.

He was a gladiator, he fought for his freedom with his brothers and sisters and was snatched away at the last minute, watched his soldiers die while he lived. The Emperor ****ed him over more than any of the others. He was damaged and broken by the Nails, the Emperor left them in because he was the butcher the Emperor needed, all the Primarchs were used, tools to be discarded, but none more so than Angron, only he and Kurze saw the big E for what he was before the Heresy, they saw that the Primarchs were to be thrown to one side when they were no longer useful. The rest only came to that conclusion after he left and set up the Council of Terra but Angron had seen how little his Father cared for lesser beings from the first moment he met him, he was truly alone from the start.

[Kirsten]

yeah I like Angron, he never had a chance

[Path Walker]

Others fell from vanity, Perterabo, Horus, Fulgrim, or necessity, Magnus, Alpharius or out of faith for Lorgar.

Angron didn't fall, he was never loyal, he'd hated the Emperor from day one, and thought Horus's rebellion would give him a chance for rebellion, not realising that Horus was using him as much as the Emp did.

[grimmas]

Cruze for me he's got the whole Coriolanus thing going on. A Soldier ordered to become the Evil the Imperium needed and scorned when they decided they didn't need him anymore. Excellent stuff.

And he can live up to his own ideals

"Death is nothing compared to vindication"

[Kirsten]

well not really ordered, he took it upon himself to do it, but he was tacitly allowed to carry on.

[grimmas]

Well he claimed he was told to do it by the (False) Emperor. Good coice by the Big E though horses for courses and all that.

[Kirsten]

he operates that way before meeting the emperor though. in the free short story Curze claims that what he did was the only way to fix his planet, and Talos criticises him pointing out he never actually tried any other way than fear and murder.

[CoffeeGrunt]

he operates that way before meeting the emperor though. in the free short story Curze claims that what he did was the only way to fix his planet, and Talos criticises him pointing out he never actually tried any other way than fear and murder.

Yeah, Konrad was Grimdark Space Batman long before the Emperor ever lightened his doorstep.

Angron's cool, I love Kharn's perspective on him. He's the only Primarch that still lives and failed. The other 17 conquered a world, or even Empires of worlds. Angron was the leader of a worthless band of mindless savages. If the Emperor had committed the War Hounds to saving them, he'd have traded a functioning, useful society to the Imperial war machine for a pack of brain-damaged gladiators destined to crumble as their minds were corroded by the Butcher's Nails. There was no stable society, no great empire to build from Angron's forces, and so the Emperor saved only him and let his fellows die.

If Angron had been taken by a noble family, like many of the others, things would've been very different. Sadly, his fate was to always be beholden to a master. First, the gladiator slavers. Then, the Emperor, another tyrant to bloody his blade in the name of. Then Horus, then Khorne and Abaddon. As Kharn says, they could have forged a great Legion in the World Eaters rather than a bloodthirsty rabble, if only their Primarch wasn't such a broken, tortured mess.

It's sad that he's never had the chance to fight for his own cause. Now he's devolved into a Daemon of pure bloodthirsty rage, nothing human left, just a puppet of Khorne.

[grimmas]

Yep he did, made him the natural choice for what the Emperor needed doing though. Also the it's worth noting that the VIII were also like it before Curzes arrival (they did get better at it once he turned up though). The Emperor knew what he was doing.