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    There are genuine reasons to be disapointed with Age of Sigmar, it doesn't offer the experience some hobbyists will want, however, this is the game GW want to make and they want to appeal to the type of customer that enjoys that type of game.

    There are options for you if you're one of these hobbyists who is no longer able to enjoy the game GW makes. Raging about it achieves nothing. Going on and on and on about how GW is a crap company achieves nothing.

    The odd thing is people feel entitled to rage and shout and scream about these things, they have a really odd view of how the customer/supplier dynamic works.

    A company has to supply a product that works as promised, when you buy a rulebook and some models from GW, that's what they've done. Supplied you with a rulebook and some models, if the models were faulty or miscast, you'd be entitled to a replacement or a refund. If the rules were misprinted or missing pages, again, refund or replacement. (incidentally, part of one of my Realmgates, which are made in China, was missing from the bag, GW sent out a full box to replace them without delay, this is the second refund or replacement I've had to get off GW in the last 4 years and both were on terrain kits made in China)

    You're not entitled for that game to stay on the shelves forever and ever, you don't get to decide how long Games Workshop have to wait before they change things.

    If you don't like a new game or a new model or how they release new rules, you don't have to buy it. That is all you are entitled to, you have the right to withdraw your custom.

    You have the right to go to another company, Mantic's Kings of War is a mass unit based fantasy wargame, designed in part by one of the team that made stuff from Fantasy. Avatar's of War make Warthrone, there at 8 editions of Warhammer Fantasy that all still work fine.
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    As a former club president I noticed that last week GW (in the UK at least) officially told stores to stop displaying the posters for local clubs that they used to produce and display, for GCN membered clubs.

    Not sure if relevant? I think some of the way the discussion has gone does make it relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Mystery View Post
    Warhammer had an issue that 40k simply doesn't. Downward scaling.

    40k plays just fine at 500 points. The game might be fairly short, but you don't really miss out on any of the key tactical challenges the game presents.

    Warhammer didn't really work beyond 1,500, as you'd typically lack enough units to enjoy the manoeuvres that brought victory, and a single whiffed combat spelled disaster.

    Me, I don't think 40k as we know it is going anywhere. The formations you mentioned? Some are for large games, others for smaller games, and some offer a bit of everything for all sizes of game. They're there to encourage and reward those who want a 'historically accruate' type force, rather than a more eclectic mix of what's available.

    Some do get a bit daft, but then they're not a compulsory part of the game - so just as you agree a points limit with your opponent and perhaps a specific scenario, discuss which, if any, formations you'd like to exclude.
    40k does NOT scale down well to 500 points.

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    Path you also as a customer have a right to complain and be heard especially if you have a product that is sold as a long term investment which this is. You dont see tool makers just shifting their standards every two years because they would get creamed.
    While you can go ahead and not buy as your last recourse its not a great one as it is GW is slowly losing market share and thats is a direct to the top problem...we have 1990 thinking in 2015 with GW management. You MUST complain and not victim blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfshilo View Post
    40k does NOT scale down well to 500 points.
    40k in 40 Minutes begs to differ dude
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    Quote Originally Posted by Languin View Post
    Path you also as a customer have a right to complain and be heard especially if you have a product that is sold as a long term investment which this is. You dont see tool makers just shifting their standards every two years because they would get creamed.
    While you can go ahead and not buy as your last recourse its not a great one as it is GW is slowly losing market share and thats is a direct to the top problem...we have 1990 thinking in 2015 with GW management. You MUST complain and not victim blame.
    Victim Blame? ****ing hell. Comparing your imagined plight by using a phrase almost exclusively used in regards to victims of rape? Get a grip.

    These are not "long term investments" they're models, when you buy a model you get a model, that's their duty to you fulfilled.

    This change hasn't invalidated anything, everything you bought is usable to the exact same extent you as when you bought it. You have a right to complain if you bought faulty goods, not if the shop decided to change what it sells after you've completed your transaction once that transaction is complete, you are no longer a customer until next time you decide to buy something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfshilo View Post
    40k does NOT scale down well to 500 points.
    It does if your opponent isn't a colossal dicksplash
    Last edited by Path Walker; 07-29-2015 at 07:53 AM.

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    Thats complete bs and your being a huge tool to folks here. (victim blaming isnt just relegated to rape and i have no idea where you got that in this context) GW from the get go sold you a long term hobby and that was the sale plan from very long ago you buffoon...i know this because that was how it was explained to me in sales discussion with GW management at glen burnie back in the day. To quote "we want like Gi joe and other brand names a Games workshop box in every kids toy chest where they have a lifetime hobby."
    Seriously how the hell do you think youve got a handle on your side of the argument with the combative nonsense vomiting out of your posts..
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    Did you previous Codex or Army Book burst into flames?

    Did your models decay on some hidden signal?

    No? Then they're both still perfectly usable.

    And how are you a victim in this? You've got your models, you've got your rules. Contract fulfilled GW's end.
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    I think we all need to Embrace the Horror. Change has happened this needs to be accepted. its the only constant when it comes to GW. Hell give it 4 years and it'll probably change again. Stops us getting stale and bored and it doesn't sound like anyone is bored at the moment in fact some of you seem to even be enjoying how much you don't like it.
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    Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Languin View Post
    Path you also as a customer have a right to complain and be heard especially if you have a product that is sold as a long term investment which this is. You dont see tool makers just shifting their standards every two years because they would get creamed.
    While you can go ahead and not buy as your last recourse its not a great one as it is GW is slowly losing market share and thats is a direct to the top problem...we have 1990 thinking in 2015 with GW management. You MUST complain and not victim blame.
    You dont HAVE to complain. Ever. Whiners be whiners on the internet tho. How bout you man the hell up and move on bub. They don't listen to your complaining and I dont blame them lol.

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