Fixing Age of Sigmar: Points using Spreadsheet

Hello, All!

I am posting this everywhere I think it might be useful. I am a veteran war gamer and am interested in playing Age of Sigmar, but like most of the community, I am frustrated by the lack of points/balance, while I am impressed by the quality of the models themselves, as usual. While GW doesn’t always seem to know how to write the “best” rules, their models are amazing! So, without further hesitation, here’s how I propose we balance Age of Sigmar with points:

It has been suggested that we use the Battalion WarScrolls and/or Wounds to balance this game. That is not an accurate way to balance something, as a Monster with high Wounds, such as a Great Unclean One, is worth way more than 20 Skaven Clan Rats. So in order to determine the points cost, I have made a spreadsheet (available for Download in my Signature below as either the full thing or just points costs for what I have put in so far) that will calculate a points system based upon the stats of the models. All you have to do is type in the following stats: Minimum Unit Size, Move, Save, Bravery, Wounds; then for each melee/ranged attack, input Range, Attacks, To Hit, To Wound, Rend, and Damage. Finally, under Additional Points, put in 10 points for each of the following keywords: Hero, Monster, and Wizard. If you desire to try to figure out how much certain special abilities are worth, you can also type that in under Additional Points. Additional Points are divided by the Minimum Unit size, so this is really only important for single model units, such as Heroes, Monsters, and Wizards. For Icons/Banners/Musicians/Leaders of multi-model units, I simply added in 1 point to show that technically this is a bonus to the unit, but that point cost is absorbed across multiple models’ costs.

If you don’t want to know how my spreadsheet works, then skip to the bottom or just download the thing and try it out. I’m considering this a beta test, so if you have issues or questions or suggested tweaks/points cost changes, please respond here or PM me on this forum. I am a busy guy, but I’ll do my best. Since I’m giving you all the resources freely, you could also just make the changes yourself. Hopefully this will help with balancing.

Why am I doing this? I played a game the other day with one of my best friends. He took Skaven. I took Nurgle Daemons. I have 16 models. He had like 68. He had over 100 wounds. I had 50 or so. The game was incredibly balanced. My friend playing the Skaven army won on the final turn with one model left on the table. It was a great game. We both had a blast. How did we balance this game? We used the spreadsheet. I realize that it is a pain in the butt to have to type in these stats and that, yes, indeed, it isn’t our responsibility. Well, I am willing to give you the tools to do this yourself and I am willing to type in as many units/models as I can with the limited amount of time that I have. I will update this from time to time and include the new points. If you don’t like my points value or you want to change the points a little: do it! It’s your game after all. But if you are looking for a balance based upon numbers that maybe—just maybe—we could all agree to, then this just might be it. I will post an explanation further down as the only response I've gotten so far is that the post is too long / needs broken down more. So here's the points and the newest version of the spreadsheet is in my signature:

Points Cost Per Model

Last Updated: 8/2/2015

Daemons of Chaos 8/2/2015

Bloodthirster of Insenate Rage

130 Points per Model

Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury

120 Points per Model

Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster

145 Points per Model

Skulltaker

45 Points per Model

Herald of Khorne

30 Points per Model

Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut

50 Points per Model

Blood Throne of Khorne

50 Points per Model

Bloodletters of Khorne

4 Points per Model

Bloodcrushers of Khorne

70 Points per Model

Karanak

35 Points per Model

Flesh Hounds of Khorne

20 Points per Model

Skull Cannons of Khorne

50 Points per Model

Great Unclean One

100 Points per Model

Epidemius

35 Points per Model

Herald of Nurgle

30 Points per Model

Plaguebearers of Nurgle

4 Points per Model

Plague Drones of Nurgle

70 Points per Model

Nurglings

15 Points per Model

Beasts of Nurgle

25 Points per Model

Kairos Fateweaver

160 Points per Model

Lord of Change

120 Points per Model

The Changeling

40 Points per Model

Herald of Tzeentch

45 Points per Model

Herald of Tzeentch on Disc

70 Points per Model

Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot

85 Points per Model

The Blue Scribes

70 Points per Model

Pink Horrors of Tzeentch

4 Points per Model

Exalted Flamers

30 Points per Model

Flamers of Tzeentch

45 Points per Model

Screamers of Tzeentch

70 Points per Model

Burning Chariots of Tzeentch

70 Points per Model

Keeper of Secrets

150 Points per Model

The Masque of Slaanesh

50 Points per Model

Herald of Slaanesh

30 Points per Model

Herald of Slaanesh On Steed

50 Points per Model

Herald of Slaanesh on Seeker Chariot

55 Points per Model

Herald of Slaanesh on Exalted Seeker Chariot

80 Points per Model

Daemonettes of Slaanesh

5 Points per Model

Seekers of Slaanesh

40 Points per Model

Fiends of Slaanesh

30 Points per Model

Seeker Chariots of Slaanesh

40 Points per Model

Exalted Seeker Chariots of Slaanesh

65 Points per Model

Hellflayers of Slaanesh

55 Points per Model

Note for Daemon Prince: Axe/Sword swap is NO points change.

Daemon Prince of Khrone

DP Khrone Monster/Hero No Wings

70 Points per Model

Winged Daemon Prince of Khrone

DP Khrone Monster/Hero Wings

95 Points per Model

Daemon Prince of Nurgle

DP Nurgle Monster/Hero No Wings

80 Points per Model

Winged Daemon Prince of Nurgle

DP Nurgle Monster/Hero Wings

105 Points per Model

Daemon Prince of Tzeentch

DP Tzeentch Monster/Hero No Wings

75 Points per Model

Winged Daemon Prince of Tzeentch

DP Tzeentch Monster/Hero Wings

100 Points per Model

Daemon Prince of Slaanesh

DP Slaanesh Monster/Hero No Wings

70 Points per Model

Winged Daemon Prince of Slaanesh

DP Slaanesh Monster/Hero Wings

95 Points per Model

Daemon Prince (neutral)

DP Monster/Hero No Wings

65 Points per Model

Winged Daemon Prince (neutral)

DP Monster/Hero Wings

90 Points per Model

Furies

8 Points per Model

Note: Soul Grinder Blade/Talon are equal in points.

Soul Grinder

Soul Grinder Monster Blade/Talon

150 Points per Model

Khorne Bloodbound 8/2/2015

Mighty Lord of Khorne

45 Points per Model

Bloodsecrator

35 Points per Model

Bloodstoker

35 Points per Model

Khorgoraths

40 Points per Model

Blood Warriors

10 Points per Model

Bloodreavers

5 Points per Model

Stormcast Eternals 8/2/2015

Lord-Celestant on Dracoth

80 Points per Model

Lord-Celestant

40 Points per Model

Lord-Relictor

30 Points per Model

Lord-Castellant

40 Points per Model

Gryph-Hounds

10 Points per Model

Prosecutors

35 Points per Model

Retributors

20 Points per Model

Note: Non-special weapon Liberators are 7 points each regardless of equipment.

Liberator (non-special weapon)

7 Points per Model

NOTE: Grandhammer and Grandblade varients are same cost.

Liberator w/Grandhammer/Blade

10 Points per Model

Note: Judicators are same points for Bows/Crossbows

Judicators w/ Bows or Crossbows

8 Points per Model

Note: Judicators are same points for Shockbolt Bows/ Thunderbolt Crossbows

Judicator w/ Shockbolt or Thunderbolt

10 Points per Model

Protectors w/Glaive or Mace

15 Points per Model

Note: Decimators cost the same with the Mace as with the Axe.

Decimators

15 Points per Model

Skaven Next?! Or High Elves? :-p We’ll see. Enjoy!

Age of Sigmar Points Spreadsheet

Age of Sigmar Points Only Spreadsheet