Codex Astartes: Supplement for the Chapters

[Haighus]

Space Wolves DO ignore it They have 12 Companies, and Logan Grimnar's company is over 200 strong, I believe Ragnar's is around 180 strong. SOme will have less, but the Chapter should have roughly 2000 warriors at it's command, especially when counting the scores of ancient Dreadnoughts it has access to.

IIRC, the Dark Angels are in a similar situation to the Black Templars, they nominally have 1000 warriors, but because they have deployments scattered across the galaxy with their own recruitment bases and detached from easy resupply, there may well be many more than 1000, but the Dark Angels are careful to never gather their full strength in front of others I believe. The Black Templars are supposed to have more than 3000 Marines, but many of them operate almost as independent Chapters.

These Chapters probably only get away with it due to a mixture of caution, being spread out and their repute and proven track record though- it was attempting to rebuild a Legion than eventually caused the destruction of the Astral Claws and pushed the survivors to become the Red Corsairs.

Oh, it is also worth noting that some areas of a Chapter technically have no limit- the Scout Company for example has no formal size, so a Chapter theoretically could have a Scout Company hundreds strong. I think the Chapters with large Scout contingents tend to split them into multiple Companies for practical purposes though.

[Reldane]

and the Astra Militarum have The Red Waaagh!

you might be required to do a little research, Astra Militarum have exactly 2 formations, 2 as apposed to how many in the space marine codex?. quick be envious of an army that has so much less than yours, what they have is incomparably worse than your armies because they get to buy another book... great logic

[Just Tony]

You know, the whole BT Fall Forward thing was stupid bull**** when it came out. I wouldn't be a fan of it now.

I don't often agree with Charon, but this is spot on.

Space Marine players no leg to stand on when it comes to whining about "removing" of their character. Hell, one craftworld had a supplement for 2 years.

Give me a break already.

Character hasn't been removed at all, now CHARACTERS have. I don't ask for a swamp of Crimson Fists rules, just bring back an official Captain Cortez.

[Path Walker]

I remember when Special Characters were for beardy wierdos and no one really used them much in games because making your own Heroes is much more rewarding.

[Charon]

You know, the whole BT Fall Forward thing was stupid bull**** when it came out. I wouldn't be a fan of it now.



Character hasn't been removed at all, now CHARACTERS have. I don't ask for a swamp of Crimson Fists rules, just bring back an official Captain Cortez.

Oh noez... 5 Characters were removed for DE. They are left with 3. Poor Marines.

[Mr.Pickelz]

According to the Space Wolf lore, each Company is roughly a Chapter unto itself. They can have between 100 and 1,000 warriors at a time, but due to high attrition rates among the Blood Claws, and the aggressive tactics employed, the twelve Companies are constantly kept at lower numbers of around 100 to 200 warriors per Company(not including transport crews and such). When a Wolf Lord, head of a Company (between a Captain and Chapter Master rank), responds to a situation, he'll take his entire Company with him, so if his company has 800 warriors, they will all go. Likewise, if it's 180, they will all go too. Because of this, the Space Wolves are all spread out with all the Companies never being in one place at a single time. Also, due to past experiences, a Company must remain behind to guard the Fang (super fortress on the home world) so you have 11 Companies wondering around the universe doing Space Marine things.

[Deacon Ix]

Black Templars ignore it too,

But on the MOAR Books thing... if there was ever a faction that didn't need more books it's space marines / imperial.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Meh, would rather have Codex : Slaugth

[Matt Arndt]

I have a question I know will catch flack. What's wrong with using the base codex?

[Mr Mystery]

Lack of specialisation I guess.

Though there's two sides to the issue, far as I'm concerned.

1. Space Marines are prevalent - so they get a variety of gaming styles, other players feel a bit hard done by (not without justification)

2. Space Marines are prevalent - they get a single Codex, other players feel the bite of monotony (not without justification)

Only way round it is for Space Marines to no longer be the most popular army by a country mile......which let's face it, is unlikely to happen. They're iconic and popular for a reason.