Deathwatch vs Genestealer Cult Boxed Game

[Andrew Thomas]

It is now sold out in the UK.

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Surely an Inquisitorial detachment with an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor and his henchpeople, alongside a Militarum Tempestus detachment? Then you would have an Ordo Xenos Inquisitorial task-force with attached Deathwatch and Inquisitorial Stormtrooper assets...

Lack of AA, AT, and Transpo is what I meant by "gaps," but yeah, Scions can get me a lot of that for a modest cost. Trouble is, nothing can carry Seberei and you have to include him in the unit to take the whole Kill Team.

[Andrew Thomas]

Got it: Skitari, with Dune Crawlers & Ironstriders. Covers all the bases.

[AdamHarry]

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[Haighus]

The full formation actually looks pretty decent- turn one charges, and lots of infiltrating into good positions to take advantage of all those short-ranged weapons and melee units. The Shrouded on turn 1 is also good. I can see this being a useful tool for Tyranid players, perhaps would combo well with the Rising Leviathan Genestealer datasheets to really put a lot of pressure on an enemy force from very early in the game. Coupled with spods with some bigger things, this could be pretty aggressive.

[Andrew Thomas]

The full formation actually looks pretty decent- turn one charges, and lots of infiltrating into good positions to take advantage of all those short-ranged weapons and melee units. The Shrouded on turn 1 is also good. I can see this being a useful tool for Tyranid players, perhaps would combo well with the Rising Leviathan Genestealer datasheets to really put a lot of pressure on an enemy force from very early in the game. Coupled with spods with some bigger things, this could be pretty aggressive.

Agreed. GSCs are rude.

Also, is it just me, or are Purestrains objectively better than Codex Genestealers? I'd definitely take these over those anytime.

In fact, since the named characters are the only Unique units in this set of Datasheets, spamming Purestrain Princelings looks like a viable strategy. Hopefully, you can take them in unit sizes greater than 2 in the Codex.

[Erik Setzer]

Looking through the WD rules, there's some weird issues. Like that the faction isn't actually noted anywhere. Or how you can, in theory, take an Allied Detachment with the "squad" as a Troops choice, and then one or two others as Fast Attack or Elites (being one-man one-Wound units), along with an Independent character who might be able to join units... if you knew what faction he was. We can all assume they're Imperial, but that's a huge detail to leave out. Ditto on whether you can include the units in a Space Marine army.

The Blood Claw has a bolter. In my headcanon, he's not a Blood Claw. He's either an immature Grey Hunter, or a Wolf Guard who was just too annoying. (His backstory already is that he was just too annoying and got sent away.)

The Terminator having a heavy flamer and meltagun is a bit overkill.

Models look nice, but pretty much can only be assembled one way, which limits their use. But since this is a board game and they're primarily board game pieces, that's not really a problem.

Though it's interesting they're aiming to market this board game to veteran players (i.e. existing customers). Not really in agreement on that strategy, but that's probably a tangent for a whole other topic.

[Ravingbantha]

The favored disciples have an autopistol, close combat weapon, and rending claws... does that mean they get +2A for the extra weapons? If so, that would be 4 attacks each and 5 on a charge for a total of 60 attacks on a charge.

[Andrew Thomas]

The favored disciples have an autopistol, close combat weapon, and rending claws... does that mean they get +2A for the extra weapons? If so, that would be 4 attacks each and 5 on a charge for a total of 60 attacks on a charge.

Just 1 extra attack. Generally, you go by how many melee weapons are listed in their wargear and whether or not they have a keyword that affects the number of bonus attacks they grant, like Specialist Weapon or Daemon Weapon, for example. Some weapons will tell you whether they grant extra attacks in their rules, like the Sicarian's Prehensile Dataspike or the Warpsmith's Mechatendrils, but some have been denied in the RAW, like Servo-arms/Harnesses. Generally, a model can't claim more than one bonus attack from having multiple weapons, regardless of the number of weapons or limbs they possess, unless the model's or weapon's rules say otherwise.

[energongoodie]

Patriarch has BS 0 so can not psychic shriek...this seems ridiculous....

[mistergone]

Looking through the WD rules, there's some weird issues. Like that the faction isn't actually noted anywhere. Or how you can, in theory, take an Allied Detachment with the "squad" as a Troops choice, and then one or two others as Fast Attack or Elites (being one-man one-Wound units), along with an Independent character who might be able to join units... if you knew what faction he was. We can all assume they're Imperial, but that's a huge detail to leave out. Ditto on whether you can include the units in a Space Marine army.

This is answered on the inside cover of the WD, of all places ("How to use your free Deathwing rules pullout"). They're Deathwatch faction, and count as Armies of the Imperium on the Allies matrix.

So you can take them as an Allied Detachment, but they aren't a Space Marines faction at this point.