Black Legion Formations and Special Rules

[Defenestratus]

What makes you think that "ONE model can lead the ritual and cast the power while the others join in" means EVERY model can cast that power?

Ok - well I admittedly only paid it a passing glance as Chaos doesn't interest me in the slightest.

Sorry you can't be happy about anything. Ever. It seems.

[ShaunDaboyz]

The specific wording is "at the start of each of your psychic phases, select one model from the Cyclopia Cabal to lead it in a dark ritual. That model can attempt to manifest the Shroud of Deceit psychic power below. For each other sorcerer from this formation that is within 12", add one dice to the psychic test - these dice do not cost any warp charge points."

[Shipmonkey]

Any one else noticing an odd lack of Abaddon in those formations?

[Djbz]

Any one else noticing an odd lack of Abaddon in those formations?

I assume he is in as a command choice, forced to pal around with a hilariously expensive unit with multiple Lords/Sorcerors/Dark Apostles etc. like Ghazghul is in his detachment

[Charon]

Ok - well I admittedly only paid it a passing glance as Chaos doesn't interest me in the slightest.

Sorry you can't be happy about anything. Ever. It seems.

Pretty rich from an Eldar player who still thinks his army is totally balanced against all others

[Djbz]

Any one else noticing an odd lack of Abaddon in those formations?

I assume he is in as a command choice, forced to pal around with a hilariously expensive unit with multiple Lords/Sorcerors/Dark Apostles etc. like Ghazghul is in his detachment

Although I just thought more about this, how cool would it be if he got a formation where his bodyguard (Of Terminators, with option of Cataphracti terminator armour) Got his mark of Chaos Ascendant?

I seriously doubt it, but it would be cool (and brutal-like he should be)

[ShaunDaboyz]

He has a formation that is him and a unit of terminators that are upgraded to ws and bs 5. He also gets to reroll one look out sir save per phase.

[Djbz]

He has a formation that is him and a unit of terminators that are upgraded to ws and bs 5. He also gets to reroll one look out sir save per phase.

I figured it'd be something like that.

I think my idea would have been better.

[Mike X]

Most of the formations are terribad again.
Terminators with a fearless lord attached gain fearless as formation bonus. Amazing. And dont forget we still have a 1 in 6 chance to get nothing from the other formation rule. But lose IC. Yey.
Shroud of Deceit is only castable by ONE model in the formation. Fair enough. You will see this in tzeentch deamon lists (lots of dice) and probably in KDK lists (fast enough and adds to multiple threat)
Thirst for Glory could have been good if it was "turn" and not phase.
Them mandatory (and useless) warpsmith in the daemon engine pack comes at the price for a 3rd engine. to either give WS4 to a Ws3 model or BS5 to a model that shoots templates or AP4 weapons.
Posessed gain rending and Bonus I and Ws. Yey. Close combat was never their issue. Crossing the field is.
And the designer of the hounds must be a master brain. Mark of khorne mandatory but for free. So I just take my Berzerkers and... well leave them as they already have it and do not get a discount.
Marines with MoK was better than berzerkers before and are now WAY better because they are cheaper. wtf...
Lazy afternoon job.
Also note how all these formations are taxed by expensive HQ models and receive no actual benefit for the tax.
Also note that these "new books" are either written for the current dex (which means no new dex for a long time) or we keep the bull**** mechanics of forced challenges and random mutations.

You must be a powergamer, because the randomness of Chaos and its mutation gambles are super fluffy. Chaos is based on the "if you play with fire you'll get burned" adage. It seems like you've chosen the wrong army for your playstyle. If you want a more steady version of Chaos Marines, just play Space Marines.

[Charon]

You must be a powergamer, because the randomness of Chaos and its mutation gambles are super fluffy. Chaos is based on the "if you play with fire you'll get burned" adage. It seems like you've chosen the wrong army for your playstyle. If you want a more steady version of Chaos Marines, just play Space Marines.

There has to be a trade off for taking a risk. Taking risks without any benefit is bad design. It is less playing with fire it is more a case of: Jump down this bridge. If you survive nothing happens. If you don't you obviously died. While other armies are like "sit on this bridge for a while and you get a car. However if you jump down and survive you get 3 cars."
Don't start with fluff as not every warband is into mutations and according to the fluff an CSM is on par if not even stronger than a space marine (there you have your trade off) while in the tabletop the opposite is true.
And it is especially fluffy if your chaos lord ends up as a daemon prince beeing suddenly a lot weaker than he was before.