Should I stay or should I go now? - The EU Referendum Thread

[eldargal]

It's not in the interests of the german car industry to punish us aren't we their largest export market after the US?

Leaving will hurt their sales to us regardless.

[Mr Mystery]

£60bn of trade goods with little redtape or import taxes.

That's £60bn of trade good about to get lumbered with redtape or import taxes. That's higher prices.

Then there's our exports to Europe. About to get lumbered with redtape and import/export taxes.

It goes back to my central point - we know precisely the deal we've got being in Europe. It ain't perfect, but it's a 100% known quantity. And really, it's not that bad at all. Migration doesn't concern me in the slightest - the way the Murdoch Press likes to portray Migrants just isn't even vaguely factual. EU migrants are significantly less likely to use our social security structures. And when that's the most commonly seen complaint - it's kind of hard to see concerns about migration as anything but racially motivate, because so many of them actually are racially motivated.

But if we Leave? What then? Nobody knows, because the Out Campaign know it'll be bad news, and potentially long term bad news, and it'd be solidly at their door - they lead us out, after all. And much as I'd like to see Farage bunged in a Wickerman for his sins (he is very keen on traditional British values, after all) it's just not worth the risk.

As for German Car Manufacturers...well, they might lose sales to the UK because of redtape and import/export taxes suddenly kicking in.....but not to worry. They're still part of one of the world's largest trading blocks, and ooooh, look. Lovely, new, emerging markets with burgeoning middle classes....middle classes with money to spare, and what says 'I've got money to spare' more than a spangly new Merc or BMW?.

Again, the Out Campaign is one of obfuscation and wishful thinking.

[grimmas]

Well as our imports exceede our exports it would seem to suggest that we benefit the EU more than they benefit us when it come to trade. Also guess what they aren't going to stop trading with us just because we leave they need our business.

the trade is a red herring it'll happen regardless. Now I'd get a little worried about ditching the ECHR (though probably not for the reason some might suspect). Though the thing I'm really worried about is the NHS and I can't see how that'd survive what the EU proposes unless they start chucking money our way and that ain't happening. Of course the Tories aren't any friends of the NHS but we don't have to vote for them.

[Psychosplodge]

Race doesn't come into migration Mystery, but numbers do.
It's ridiculous to suggest we can absorb a net 300k+ people a year without it having a negative effect on infrastructure.

I don't imagine the ECHR has changed much since the 40/50s whenever it was signed. The problem clearly isn't the treaty it's the way the modern courts appear to interpreting it.

[Mr Mystery]

How does the EU threaten the NHS?

And it's not that they'll stop trading with us. Instead, they'll hammer out an agreement where we get done over, because they've got 27 Markets to our 1....That's not a Red Herring. That's lunacy.

[eldargal]

Race doesn't come into migration Mystery, but numbers do.
It's ridiculous to suggest we can absorb a net 300k+ people a year without it having a negative effect on infrastructure.

We need to invest more in infrastructure anyway, that helps build growth, as does migration. Our nt migration rate is actually very low, half that of Canada with a larger country (higher infrastructure costs) and a smaller population and economy.

[grimmas]

See Splodges response, for the threat to the NHS.

It is a Red Herring because, they need our money we aren't negotiating with no leverage.

[Denzark]

I wouldn't worry about the ECHR - we were not a country with people disappearing having been black bagged by snatch squads a la V for Vendetta before we joined.

It benefits the EU more to not try and bend us over about trade - because it is fact they export more to us than we export to them. And if they were going to... why would we want to be part of a grouping that tries to hold you fast with threats?

Sounds like an abusive husband trying to prevent the wife leaving.

[Psychosplodge]

Our net migration rate is actually very low, half that of Canada with a larger country

A town the size of Rotherham a year is hardly low, and we're considerably less than half the land area than Canada.

[Mr Mystery]

Except we need their money more.

Britain is built on the back of a very small scrap of land. And it's a scrap of land I'm familiar with.

Canary Wharf. One of the biggest banking sectors in the world.

That's built on trade etc. Except under EU rules, a bank trading with the EU must have an EU based headquarters. Guess what? That's presently Canary Wharf for the most part.

We leave Europe? We instantly weaken that financial powerhouse (and for those who remember 2007/2008, remember the last time The City caught a cold?)