Should I stay or should I go now? - The EU Referendum Thread

[Kirsten]

[Darren Richardson]

I haven't been insulting Leavers, but nevermind.

Sorry, I was generalising, couldn't be arsed reading 60+ pages of polite arguing.

[CoffeeGrunt]

And it begins.

Morgan Stanley are to move 2000 jobs from London, to Dublin and Frankfurt.

Bumps in the road, eh Mr Gove?

Currently unsubstantiated, Morgan Stanley haven't made any official press releases about it, which they would be legally obliged to.

[Denzark]

Just surprised at the hyperbole, bile, histrionics, caterwauling and so on. The intellectual left moved away from the concerns of the worker. But they have no trust in him to make up his minds on the merits of the argument - they simply excoriate him for not listening to their arguments, and not prioritising them over his own legitimate concerns. They then piss and ***** and write off his concerns as prejudice 'oh no you're such a racialist you naughty person'.

And wonder why this happened.

There are some Radiohead lyrics for the left:

'You do it to yourself, you do
And that's what really hurts
Is that you do it to yourself
Just you and no one else'

[Mr Mystery]

When their concerns are based on outright lies from the right wing.....

[Denzark]

When their concerns are based on outright lies from the right wing.....

If their own supposed side can't reach them with its arguments, who can blame them? What every working class person in Sunderland had no opinion of their own, but went out and researched facts - and went to Boris and Gove first? Really?

[Mr Mystery]

It's very difficult to overcome hate, especially when the 'hate and misinformation' side pretty much own the press. No matter how loud you shout, they'll shout louder.

It's easier to pin the blame on Them, is it not? That's how Right Wing politics tends to operate, yes?

[Denzark]

Clearly the BoLS intelligentsia need to make themselves available to Comrade Corbyn and the party faithful to advance the cause in the future - no one shouts louder than them.

Flippancy aside, the Times clearly came out and supported remain, as did Grauniad, Indy, Mirror.

The BBC is impartial and whenever there is doubts on this, it is leftist bias accused.

the government broke its own Purdah and issued £9m worth of leaflets.

Did i mention the Times - owned by Murdoch?

So seriously, with that small thing - the internet - as a back up - convincing your common or garden working class was a matter of owning the press?

[Mr Mystery]

Yup. Because of confirmation bias.

Can't get a job, and someone gives you a scapegoat. That's an easier pill to swallow than 'could've done better in school'.

So very few of the reasons people voted Leave for were anything to do with being in the EU. Half our migration was entirely under our control - and we didn't, because we need it. Instead, they're told ARRRRGH FOREIGNERS ARE HERE TO TAKE YOUR JOB, AND EAT YOUR CHILDREN.

How do you even begin to fight that?

[Psychosplodge]

Then they should have built the bloody infrastructure then shouldn't they so people didn't feel like they're suffering.