Should I stay or should I go now? - The EU Referendum Thread

[grimmas]

The French Foreign minister has said that everything is on the table re Brexit negotiations, including the limiting of migrants.

Hmmmmm

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I dunno. Uncertain times lead to oddities.

Now, if only we could club together and buy some desolate island to dump all our racists on. They want an all-white country? There you go, knock yourselves out.

We've tried that they keep wanting independence though

[Mr Mystery]

France can say what it wants - it's the EU that'll decide.

I do wonder if this might be the end to truly free movement of peoples - somehow, I kinda doubt it. But then, it is a common 'concern' among the right wing of the constituent countries of the EU.

Maybe this will lead to a refocusing of the union - a tidemark of 'seriously, not enough people are happy with the way we're going'. I'm on record as not giving a fig about sovereignty and that, nor migration, so apologies if this comes across as I've changed my tune. I've not. But I am acknowledging there's concerns, even if I feel they've been blown out of proportion in the face of nationalistic nonsense.

[grimmas]

You're right it is the EU rather than just France but they do get a say quite a large one I'd suspect. Of course they may just ask for somthing else in return, military aid/cooperation possibly. may be not something the current EEA states could provide so it wouldn't have come up before (That is just something I've pulled out of the air as an possible example)

[Mr Mystery]

Could also be their way of heading off that horrific harridan Le Penne - I don't think anyone wants their country falling to the far-right.

After all, if the UK can bag a perk, it would have to shared with other countries - and that knocks an awful lot of wind out of the sails of the far-right.

Now, serious, non-snarky question for those who voted Leave (I've tried to be careful with my wording, but may well fail on that account). Given it looks like we're staying in the single market, and all that involves - do you feel, from your perspective, that the referendum hasn't actually changed anything?

[grimmas]

What I said in March on the subject in the British politics thread:



It just occurred to me last night that maybe the reason neither side of the referendum debate has any actual data to refute the other is because their isn't an actual difference between them and it's just preference. So in essence the vote doesn't matter maybe things have developed to the point where everybody is essentially so co-dependant and the treaties in place or will be in place mean that and apart from a name nothing will actually change.

[Psychosplodge]

Of course we were never going to get invited to a meeting for the founder member states of the EU given that we aren't one.

Well the original organisation...

[Brakkart]

Now, serious, non-snarky question for those who voted Leave (I've tried to be careful with my wording, but may well fail on that account). Given it looks like we're staying in the single market, and all that involves - do you feel, from your perspective, that the referendum hasn't actually changed anything?

No, because now we are free to negotiate trade deals with other countries without needing the approval (and inevitable addendums) of 27 (and eventually more than that) other countries. We can sign bi-lateral trade deals and form closer links with our Commonwealth, especially Australia, New Zealand, Canada and India, as well as nations like China, Japan and Korea, all economies that are doing a hell of a lot better than the stagnant EU ones are. We were always going to be seeking to stay in the single market, that is what we signed up for back in 1973 when the EU was (and should have remained) the EEC. One free trade area for Europe is a damn good idea. One government for a "United States of" Europe is a bloody ridiculous idea.

We trade lots with Europe and they do the same back, it's a good healthy relationship thats created a lot of wealth and jobs over the past 40 years. What we don't need is 27 other countries telling us "Ohh you can't trade with that country without our permission". Umm yes we can and now we will be able to do so and with any luck when the other states see the advantages of being able to do so, they'll either amend or scrap the EU to be able to do so themselves.

[Cutter]

Well the original organisation...

The EEC?

We weren't a founding member of that either.

[Psychosplodge]

The EEC?

We weren't a founding member of that either.

That's what I meant we weren't in. Surely we were in the original EU as it was formed in what '92?

Now, serious, non-snarky question for those who voted Leave (I've tried to be careful with my wording, but may well fail on that account). Given it looks like we're staying in the single market, and all that involves - do you feel, from your perspective, that the referendum hasn't actually changed anything?

If we have to pay the same amount(or more), obey all the rules and still have freedom of movement its a somewhat pointless exercise. Especially as many people no doubt voted about these three things to some degree or another.
I'm unsure how far we'd be able to pursue Brakkats response while still jumping through the EU's three ring circus to obey the EEA rules.

[Morgrim]

Australia and New Zealand are teaming up to negotiate a new trade deal with the UK, since they won't fall under the EU negotiations currently in progress.

In bad news for the UK, the EU deal takes priority because they're much more important trade partners by volume and value, so it'll be at least next year before the real work starts on the UK one.