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    Default Armored Guard still a thing?

    So I have been slowly working on an armoured guard list for ages and with 8th coming I am stuck on what direction to go in now, Wait for DKOK rules and go with them or keep working on my armored idea using Scions(With there lovely op transports) as my troops? (Or just use the elite formation with vet squads in chimera's and lots of russes\tanks...)

    What do you guys think?
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    I think all armoured lists will be a thing, and a pain in the arse for a lot of people to deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denzark View Post
    I think all armoured lists will be a thing, and a pain in the arse for a lot of people to deal with.
    I guess, But with the cost of transports no mater what now you have to take a fair amount of meat shields.......
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    I think the mech Astra/Scions lists will be very, very good.

    Sure close combat is better, but this is still a game of moving and shooting. The Taurox has an assault cannon(?) that shoots 20 shots!
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    I ran up a 1000 pt Armoured column a couple of months ago. Pask with a Vanquisher and Battle Tank, two Vet Squads with Chimera transports, an armoured sentinel and a Scion Deep Strike Team. From my first review of the new rules this would still be a tough unit, (Though I admit I don't have the Index Imperial 2).

    The thing to get my head around is the new points system which looks a bit weird. It looks like your opportunity to add numbers to units is now severely compromised. In the Eldar for example you can field 5 Warp Spiders at "Power Rating 5". You can add 5 more at a "+5 Power Rating" but not just one more. There are a couple of examples of that and why would you if for a second squad you get another Exarch?

    And are you at all freaked out that vehicles now have weapon skills and attack values? When my troops disembark, the Wave Serpent is going to assault first. Then the target unit can't over watch my assault troops. Who said Eldar were nurfed

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    Short answer: yes, armoured AM is still a thing. In fact, I think it's better than ever for then following reasons (whether you're taking Scions or Vets):
    1) you don't need a separate transport for your officer giving orders; he's in the same transport using the previous vacant 2 spots in a chimera (saving you points)
    2) orders happen automatically, one of which is re-rolling 1's (making your special weapons more effective)
    3) you choose wound allocation, so you can keep your special weapons alive longer (making your special weapons more effective)
    4) plasma and meltaguns are cheaper; plasma is a third of what it was! (saving you points)
    5) you can fall back from assaults, then get an auto order to fire normally, so it's less of a risk getting closer to the enemy (making your special weapons more effective)

    The only negative in 8th to armoured lists IMO, is that you have to disembark BEFORE the vehicle move (unless you're using a Valkyrie).

    What you should be asking yourself is: is a footslogging guardsmen horde better?

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