Mindshackle Single Models?

[Nachodragon]

I think the biggest issue when looking at rules is determining where the fluff/flavor text ends and the rule begins.
Stating that a someone strikes out against their allies, deals with a huge percentage of the battles with this particular rule and lends to better visuals about what happens. But, the rule is explicit about how it works, regardless of what the fluff/flavor text actually is.

Also, I thought I read something in fluff of one of the characters and mindshackle scarabs came into play. Possibly Trazyn? Will need to look for that but I thought they struck out at whatever, basically going crazy, and crazy people can definitely hurt themselves.

[Necron_Lord]

RAW I am cool with having single model units attacking themselves, but I am just saying that I would not be surprised that this will change when the FAQ comes out. As a matter of fact, I would be surprised if it wasn't changed. I think we're in the period when Dark Eldar players had pain tokens giving beasts FNP, etc. except for the Necrons now. We shall see ...

[Slug]

I wouldn't be surprised if it did get FAQ'd, but until then, the rule says you can, so we will see what happens.

[Caldera02]

So the FAQ is out now. I will be inserting foot in mouth now.


Another example of how Gdub rules one way on a rule and turns around and rules another for a different codex. Cest la vie.

Neil, you can still suck it! :P

[Slug]

Ah, there was always an argument both ways, the main thing is that in this case the fluff makes more sense for the model to be able to then for GK grenades for example, as the affected person has given up control, the Necrons aren't going to be fussed over getting him hurt.

Though, it is a shame they didn't clarify whether you can use force weapons.

[Angelofblades]

Stricktly speaking, from a RAW point of view, it made sense. The wording of MS specifically stated Unit. Personally, I had no issue with single model units attacking themselve.

The real issue imho, was whether MS could force a model to activate it's Force Weapon, if applicable. Something the FAQ definately didn't mention

[Caldera02]

Well just saying that because it says attacks its own unit still doesn't mean himself. I still say the book doesn't cover that kind of thing RAW but the FAQ makes it a moot point.

Anyways, I believe the other part of the wording for MS is inflicts D3 attacks on the unit right? Does it say, using all the properties of the wielder? kind of like how the sweep attacks are worded?

[Angelofblades]

Well just saying that because it says attacks its own unit still doesn't mean himself. I still say the book doesn't cover that kind of thing RAW but the FAQ makes it a moot point.

Anyways, I believe the other part of the wording for MS is inflicts D3 attacks on the unit right? Does it say, using all the properties of the wielder? kind of like how the sweep attacks are worded?

iirc, it says properties of the weapon, IE Power weapon, Power fist, Thunder Hammer ,etc.

So when it comes to Force Weapon, you obviously get the PW part of the Force Weapon, or the Nemesis part of a Nemesis force weapon (wounded daemons or psykers take a LD test or die), but can you activate a Force Weapon to cause Instant Death with MS?

[FlangeNabber]

iirc, it says properties of the weapon, IE Power weapon, Power fist, Thunder Hammer ,etc.

So when it comes to Force Weapon, you obviously get the PW part of the Force Weapon, or the Nemesis part of a Nemesis force weapon (wounded daemons or psykers take a LD test or die), but can you activate a Force Weapon to cause Instant Death with MS?

I would say this is pretty clear, you get D3 attacks with the weapons abilities and effects so if your a psyker you better make that leadership test. Activating a force weapon however is a seperate action to attacking with it so IMHO I'd definitely so no.

But then, what if the owning player choose to activate the force weapon themself? This could be useful for leaving the Crons in the open for the following shooting phase. Can anyone see a rule preventing that? Lol