Heldrake double whammy legal?

[Learn2Eel]

[Magpie]

And VS neither is a weapon, nor counts as one, but if you perform it, then you 'count as' having fired one weapon in the shooting phase(you don't actually use that weapon to perform the VS,

That's right, out of the four you are allowed, so the Baleflamer doesn't have to fire a snap shot.
Nothing in the rule says that you have to forgo firing one of you weapons in lieu of the Vector Strike.

If a flyer has:
one weapon it can fire four weapons at full BS but it only has one to shoot
two weapons it can fire four weapons at full BS but it only has two to shoot
three weapons it can fire four weapons at full BS but it only has three to shoot
four weapons it can fire four weapons at full BS YAY !
five weapons it can fire four weapons at full BS and one weapon can "snap shot"

If you Vector Strike tho'

If a flayer has:
one weapon it can fire three weapons at full BS but it only has one to shoot
two weapons it can fire three weapons at full BS but it only has two to shoot
three weapons it can fire three weapons at full BS
four weapons it can fire three weapons at full BS and one weapon can "snap shot"
five weapons it can fire three weapons at full BS and two weapons can "snap shot"

[ted1138]

Is that what passes for a rebuttal in your neck of the woods?

[ted1138]

That's right, out of the four you are allowed, so the Baleflamer doesn't have to fire a snap shot.
Nothing in the rule says that you have to forgo firing one of you weapons in lieu of the Vector Strike.

If a flyer has:
one weapon it can fire four weapons at full BS but it only has one to shoot
two weapons it can fire four weapons at full BS but it only has two to shoot
three weapons it can fire four weapons at full BS but it only has three to shoot
four weapons it can fire four weapons at full BS YAY !
five weapons it can fire four weapons at full BS and one weapon can "snap shot"

If you Vector Strike tho'

If a flayer has:
one weapon it can fire three weapons at full BS but it only has one to shoot
two weapons it can fire three weapons at full BS but it only has two to shoot
three weapons it can fire three weapons at full BS
four weapons it can fire three weapons at full BS and one weapon can "snap shot"
five weapons it can fire three weapons at full BS and two weapons can "snap shot"

That is complete nonsense, there is no "out of the four you are allowed" rule. Read the rule on page 80, it does not say you can fire four weapons, it says 'you can fire up to four of your weapons at full BS', so if you have one weapon, you can only fire one weapon(at full BS). There is no 'four weapon rule', so you can't apply the VS "counts as" rule to it, you have to apply it to the weapons that are actually on the model in question.

[Learn2Eel]

Nah mate, it is more just that this thread is still going that bothers me - hence why I see the funny side and stay out of it.

[Magpie]

Nah mate, it is more just that this thread is still going that bothers me - hence why I see the funny side and stay out of it.

I have to agree, the useful portion is over, I'm out.

[Mr Mystery]

That is complete nonsense, there is no "out of the four you are allowed" rule. Read the rule on page 80, it does not say you can fire four weapons, it says 'you can fire up to four of your weapons at full BS', so if you have one weapon, you can only fire one weapon(at full BS). There is no 'four weapon rule', so you can't apply the VS "counts as" rule to it, you have to apply it to the weapons that are actually on the model in question.

Ergo, you must fire the full amount allowed yes? Because if it says 'you can fire four weapons' that's giving me the choice between not firing (fulfilling the can) or firing four weapons.

Well, according to your 'logic' that's both Nightscythes and Doomscythes knackered as well, as only have 1 and 2 weapons respectively, I cannot fire 4 weapons even if I wanted to. Ergo, I cannot fire any.

See. Untenable position is untenable.

[Tynskel]

Nah mate, it is more just that this thread is still going that bothers me - hence why I see the funny side and stay out of it.

You are missing the point. People are trying really hard to beat the record of the Combat Squad thread, or the Doom of Malantai thread! There are two combat squad threads, amounting to 500+ replies!

[url]http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?6439-Deep-striking-combat-squads&p=83146&viewfull=1#post83146[/url]

[url]http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?15051-Deep-strike-and-Combat-squads&p=142841&viewfull=1#post142841[/url]

[url]http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?4452-The-Doom-of-Malantai&p=55996&viewfull=1#post55996[/url]

[Tynskel]

Yep #2 is the one. It is still able to fire

That does not make sense, considering the rules states that you have fired, and you are not allowed to go Flat Out when you have already fired.

[Learn2Eel]

You are missing the point. People are trying really hard to beat the record of the Combat Squad thread, or the Doom of Malantai thread! There are two combat squad threads, amounting to 500+ replies!

[url]http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?6439-Deep-striking-combat-squads&p=83146&viewfull=1#post83146[/url]

[url]http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?15051-Deep-strike-and-Combat-squads&p=142841&viewfull=1#post142841[/url]

[url]http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?4452-The-Doom-of-Malantai&p=55996&viewfull=1#post55996[/url]

Oh dear....lol. Just lol.