Question about stat lines in the new tyranid rule book

[Tynskel]

Reroll to hit is better, and they lost that, and a lot of stuff lost an attack that they previously had so the bonus attack doesn't gain you much. At least if you xsmash you get one more attack with most MCs.

you only got to re-roll on 1s with genestealers... I'll take that extra attack, thank you.

[kublade]

Fail talons? What's wrong with you? You are gaining an attack!

Regardless of gaining the +1 attack, they are fail talons now. Regardless of smaller creatures using them, for hormagants they are not fail talons, but for monstrous creatures, they are utterly completely useless. So genestealers do gain the benefit of +1 attack, but for 4 points per model you want with an extra attack? It seems rather ineffective, as genestealers are already going to find it hard to earn their keep in points, you'd have to be pretty lucky to get them in close combat for that +1 attack to matter. Only way I see spending the extra 4 points is the throw it on 4-5 out of 10 or so, and keep them in back so they die last.

Main point still being, they have four arms, they want us to just ignore those 2 extra arms unless we have scything talons. Good job GW.

[DarkLink]

you only got to re-roll on 1s with genestealers... I'll take that extra attack, thank you.

Honestly, not really relevant on genestealers. They're massively overpriced bolter bait. What they can do in assault is pretty irrelevant if they can't reach assault. But, hey, at least the Horror is a funny little trick they can pull.

[Tynskel]

Hard to get shot when they are pinned...

[DarkLink]

It's only one unit, and it's not that reliable. And even then, a lot of units can still kill a unit of genestealers snap firing. It's not a bad power, but don't get too excited about it.

[Tynskel]

It's only one unit, and it's not that reliable. And even then, a lot of units can still kill a unit of genestealers snap firing. It's not a bad power, but don't get too excited about it.

funny how you were just saying that for gargoyles only two would die to snap fire...
I sense some inconsistencies in this one...

[Broodingman87]

funny how you were just saying that for gargoyles only two would die to snap fire...
I sense some inconsistencies in this one...

Well, like all debates people are half right. He's is right that the lose of 2 Genestealer from overwatch is a lot harsher than the lose of 2 Gargoyles. And he is right that we just got trolled by GW in a couple units most notable the Trygon and Carnifex. " Hey, instead of stacking rules you can now stack bonus attack like everyone else... but the way we've reduce the number of attacks you get to compensate." And really that's the only thing about this codex I'm on GW about is that troll job. But Darklink, seeing as how most units can take 2 different types of weapons, re-rolling 1s is meaningless compared to +1 A, the only units that are really hurt by that is Hormagant and Trygon.

[Tynskel]

Well, like all debates people are half right. He's is right that the lose of 2 Genestealer from overwatch is a lot harsher than the lose of 2 Gargoyles. And he is right that we just got trolled by GW in a couple units most notable the Trygon and Carnifex. " Hey, instead of stacking rules you can now stack bonus attack like everyone else... but the way we've reduce the number of attacks you get to compensate." And really that's the only thing about this codex I'm on GW about is that troll job. But Darklink, seeing as how most units can take 2 different types of weapons, re-rolling 1s is meaningless compared to +1 A, the only units that are really hurt by that is Hormagant and Trygon.

Exactly my point. well, except the 'trolling', because all the re-rolls were dumb a skunk. Why should Tyranids be the re-roll king? They are not *that* good in close combat. It's their numbers...