Ignores cover.

[Gleipnir]

The term "rolling to wound" is a general term used in the 6th edition game rules applied to both vehicles and non vehicles(the term was also used in 5th edition ruleset as well), non-vehicles roll to wound on the wound table, vehicles roll for Armor Penetration to wound, reference sections detailing the steps you resolve things illustrate this in back of the rulebook. Ignores Cover, as it implies ignores all forms of cover saves vehicular and non vehicular.

[DarkLink]

So... poison "wounds" vehicles on a 4+?

[Kaptain Badrukk]

So... poison "wounds" vehicles on a 4+?

Nice

[Nabterayl]

^ Everyone always forgets this

I don't forget it; I just don't find it persuasive. The argument is, "If A must be done exactly as if B were C, then C is treated exactly as B." And that's simply untrue.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

Only whilst one is doing A, as we are in this case.

[daboarder]

I don't forget it; I just don't find it persuasive. The argument is, "If A must be done exactly as if B were C, then C is treated exactly as B." And that's simply untrue.

Jesus christ it ****s me to tears every time someone makes that claim

25+ years of precedent, GW faqs, erata, and clarifications let us know,

COUNTS AS, AS IF or LIKE = IS!

[Asuryan]

RAW in the BRB PG75 "If the target is obscured and suffers a glancing or penetrating hit, it must take a cover save against it, exactly like a non-vehicle model would do against a wound"
That to me says that ignores cover most definitely ignores obscured.

This just says that vehicles take cover saves, which i think every one agrees with.

Jesus christ it ****s me to tears every time someone makes that claim

25+ years of precedent, GW faqs, erata, and clarifications let us know,

COUNTS AS, AS IF or LIKE = IS!

Page 38 BRB

Cover saves cannot be taken against Wounds caused by a weapon with the Ignores Cover special rule.

I see no As, As if or Like. The only times i can think armor penetrations work like wounds are for taking cover saves, as above, invulnerable saves as FAQ, and for determining who won combat.

Now i also believe that vehicles can't take cover saves for penetrations/glances from said weapons with Ignore Cover, but i do see why people would want to take them.

[daboarder]

page 38 brb

cover saves cannot be taken against wounds caused by a weapon with the ignores cover special rule.

I see no as, as if or like. The only times i can think armor penetrations work like wounds are for taking cover saves, as above, invulnerable saves as faq, and for determining who won combat.

Now i also believe that vehicles can't take cover saves for penetrations/glances from said weapons with ignore cover, but i do see why people would want to take them.

brb:75

if the target is obscured and suffers a glancing
or penetrating hit, it must take a cover save against it,
exactly like a non-vehicle model would do against a
wound

edit: its right there in the rulebook nabertayls argument is not only ridiculous its the worst kind of rules twisting.

[Gleipnir]

So... poison "wounds" vehicles on a 4+?

Considering the rule for Poisoned in the BRB specifically states in the rule Poisoned "has no effect on against vehicles" um nope, why add that to the special rule description, simple because they already used the terminology in multiple areas of the rules as "The roll to wound" even when referring to vehicles, where they differentiate is what table or method the roll to wound is resolved (pg. 427).

Yes the "Roll to Wound" vs vehicles is determined via the same to wound die pools separated by weapon strength, and special rules and additionally based on armor facing, and is resolved via Armor Penetration result or other effects as appropriate, but as far as the rules are concerned its still considered a roll to wound(even though vehicles don't have a Wound rating the rules still refer to the roll determining Armor Penetration as the same thing, and have since 5th edition)

[Pssyche]

The easiest way to resolve this would be to change the wording of the Ignores Cover Special Rule to...

Cover saves cannot be taken against HITS caused by weapons with the ignores cover special rule.

But we all know that's not likely to happen.