Interested in a Warhammer 20K? and an alternate 40k universe?

[CoffeeGrunt]

Well, the only reason that the Tau are utopian is because of the Ethereals, My local Tau guy says that Farsight broke free of that mind control in the Farsight Enclave codex. Keep in mind that psykers didn't appear until late in the DAoT, Hell the Navigator gene didn't come till real late. And we all know how much humans has a hard time with the idea of collectivism. While the naivety is there, I think that DAoT humans didn't even comprehend the Eldar, I don't think it was that blissful and happy a time.

I didn't mean happy as in they skipped through the Warp on rainbow bridges to seek the Gumdrop Planet. I meant happy for 40K, which is standard issue for most Sci-fi. Mankind probably fought several wars for its existence against other small Xenos factions, claimed land and slowly learned the art of void warfare and travel, terraformation, and the other things which make a prosperous multi-system empire.

The way it's typically presented is that Mankind gets together for the most part, not ideal Collectivism but more the usual Us vs Them deal. Science is supported and lauded, utilised to its fullest to progress the evolution of their empire.

Most of all, Mankind is egotistical in that even now, hell even on this board, we have a belief that we'll win all the fights, make peace or war with adversaries, and be a big boy empire sprawling across greater amounts of space than a singular human mind can comprehend. The DAoT humanity would probably feel the same, buoyed by the fact that they're out there with the technology and presence to do it now. I personally don't believe that belief in how special we are, and our Manifest Destiny would ever die. Hell, in the 41st Millennium it's the only thing most of humanity has left to hold onto.

So yeah, maybe not perfect Collectivism like the Tau, but the atheistic and scientific approach, the somewhat naive sense of purpose and destiny, I can see that being a trait of humanity. Eldar would be interesting in that setting though. They'd ultimately be gods, and I wonder how the Orks would be as well. Perhaps there could be proto-Dark Eldar, maybe set it at the tipping point, with Psykers appearing, Daemons breaking into Realspace, and the Fall already past the event horizon towards damnation...

[Charon]

Keep in mind that psykers didn't appear until late in the DAoT

Not corrdect, magicans, shamans (the source of the emperor), witches,... have been around since the dawn of humanity.
The Emperor himself predates the DaoT by far and he was created by a shamanistic circle.

[Broodingman87]

I didn't mean happy as in they skipped through the Warp on rainbow bridges to seek the Gumdrop Planet. I meant happy for 40K, which is standard issue for most Sci-fi. Mankind probably fought several wars for its existence against other small Xenos factions, claimed land and slowly learned the art of void warfare and travel, terraformation, and the other things which make a prosperous multi-system empire.

The way it's typically presented is that Mankind gets together for the most part, not ideal Collectivism but more the usual Us vs Them deal. Science is supported and lauded, utilised to its fullest to progress the evolution of their empire.

Most of all, Mankind is egotistical in that even now, hell even on this board, we have a belief that we'll win all the fights, make peace or war with adversaries, and be a big boy empire sprawling across greater amounts of space than a singular human mind can comprehend. The DAoT humanity would probably feel the same, buoyed by the fact that they're out there with the technology and presence to do it now. I personally don't believe that belief in how special we are, and our Manifest Destiny would ever die. Hell, in the 41st Millennium it's the only thing most of humanity has left to hold onto.

So yeah, maybe not perfect Collectivism like the Tau, but the atheistic and scientific approach, the somewhat naive sense of purpose and destiny, I can see that being a trait of humanity. Eldar would be interesting in that setting though. They'd ultimately be gods, and I wonder how the Orks would be as well. Perhaps there could be proto-Dark Eldar, maybe set it at the tipping point, with Psykers appearing, Daemons breaking into Realspace, and the Fall already past the event horizon towards damnation...

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

- H.P. Lovecraft - Call of Cthulhu

Of Course, the rude awakening is a story older then dirt and I agree that should be the main plot of DAoT. But, I don't think since the Garden of Eden has there ever been a story of the entire human race hearing the pop of their heads coming out of their a*ses for the first time.

[Path Walker]

Not corrdect, magicans, shamans (the source of the emperor), witches,... have been around since the dawn of humanity.
The Emperor himself predates the DaoT by far and he was created by a shamanistic circle.

Nothing to support the Shaman theory any more is there?

[Psychosplodge]

Who knows?

Do you remember the deletion scene in the soul drinkers series? I imagine GW's retcon hammer is wielded in a similar manner

[Broodingman87]

Do you remember the deletion scene in the soul drinkers series?

I don't, I tried to Youtube it, but no such luck.

[grimmas]

Wasn't the widespread use of AI an almost cataclysmic event during the DAoT. I believe First and Only covers this a bit, with mention of golden men creating iron men to fight for them and nearly being destroyed by them, a sort of Butlerian Jihad type situation (and we know 40K borrows quite heavily from the Dune Universe). It could be quite interesting but the Crusade/Heresy seems a better prospect to me and let's face it the last 30 years have kind of shown the universe realies pretty heavily on the Astartes

[Broodingman87]

Wasn't the widespread use of AI an almost cataclysmic event during the DAoT. I believe First and Only covers this a bit, with mention of golden men creating iron men to fight for them and nearly being destroyed by them, a sort of Butlerian Jihad type situation (and we know 40K borrows quite heavily from the Dune Universe). It could be quite interesting but the Crusade/Heresy seems a better prospect to me and let's face it the last 30 years have kind of shown the universe realies pretty heavily on the Astartes

Yeah the Iron men gain sapience and wanted independence, It's funny how the Iron men are foreshadowing the Necrons.

[Beaviz81]

Yeah the Iron men gain sapience and wanted independence, It's funny how the Iron men are foreshadowing the Necrons.

I always were under the impression that Chaos had something to do with them rebelling as well as they getting independent thought.

[Stephen James Hand]

I'd love it if someone started doing 20k stuff, it's part of the 40k lore I always wished had more meat on it's bones because there's a lot of potential.

I always think the references to enormous DAoT weapons (Imperator Titan's bigger brother and tanks that make Baneblades look like ride on mowers etc.) it doesn't really fit well with the rest of the DAoT lore (such as it is). As I understand it in 20k humans were a new kid on the galactic block at the time, having to deal with larger, more established Xenos neighbours who had access to much more resource that they did. If that were true it would make more sense for them to have small, nimble, flexible forces that could be rapidly deployed and fit with a maneuverist strategy, just like 40k Tau do. Uber Titans and Super Duper Heavy tanks don't really fit with this, these are more the kind of weapons used by forces who fight wars of attrition, using their superior numbers and resources to grind smaller enemies down over time, because massive stuff like this requires huge resources to build and probably can't be deployed rapidly either. I think DAoT vehicles would be more advanced, but on the whole smaller and lighter than 40k Imperium stuff, not bigger & heavier

I would think the current Admech stuff would be a good start point for the look of DAoT human tech, tentacles, servo skulls, insect like walkers, tanks with weird weapons etc. (lets face it, it's probably DAoT technology giving the Admech that 'look' anyway), but with fully robotic Iron Men rather than servitors and cyborgs. I think it would be a shame to make the DAoT forces look like a 'normal' Starship Troopers type sci fi army. Whilst the tau have stuck to safer, more convetional tech, DAoT humans were all about messing about with the warp and other strange forces, nothing was off limits. References to tech from the era often refers to it as 'weird' and outlandish, this would need to be reflected in their weaponry, the vehicles and weapons should look a bit weird and sinister (just like the admech stuff), to reflect that they are built using dangerous 'heretical' tech. The Iron Men should definitely have an unmistakable air of menace about them.