[Nabterayl]

Originally Posted by Madness

Sadly it is naive. :/

Everybody is a really bad case of blanket term, I thought that a simple (and it is simple) rule that could benefit the poor guy who's desperate to hurt the people inside the transport with his extremely cool Ld based abilities without trashing the ever-loved mecha.

Well, fair enough. I still think that's what the rule should be, though

Originally Posted by Madness

Cover shouldn't apply unless it's a shooting situation, nowhere else it says it does, regardless of what provided the source of the cover save. Even more when it's an area of effect situation.

I really disagree with this. A save is a save is a save. Cover saves aren't allowed in close combat because all close combat attacks explicitly disallow cover saves. That's enough modification of the basic rule as it is, in my book. Making cover saves realistic is not necessarily something I'm opposed to, but it's something I'd want to do all in one go. Special abilities like spirit leech are the last place I'd start if I was going to start rationalizing cover saves.

[Madness]

Agreed or disagreed upon, it's how I understood them to work, shooting (or shooting like powers) gives the chance for a cover save. Everything else doesn't. Luckily MOST of the hazy situations clearly state if the cover applies or not.

[RealGenius]

Originally Posted by Madness

Q: If I fail a morale test with embarked units, how do I have to act?
A: The vehicle automatically suffers a Crew - Shaken damage. The units will not try to fall back.
Why? While drivers and gunners are usually immune to morale, a plasmagun exploding in the back, or a daemon popping out of a psyker brain is surely a shaking event. The units will not try to flee from the vehicle as it's probably much scarier out there!

I'm not sure I'd apply an effect from an embarked unit to the vehicle. Usually it is one way: vehicle -> passengers. Transport operators are pros and pretty much ignore or seal off the passengers. Take the bus driver of the youtube video going around as an example.

I've run over this a few time with friends and I think the best solution is that if an embarked unit fails a moral test, it is pinned/gone to ground.

The embarked unit doesn't get out, doesn't shoot, just sits there in their seats and hopes for the best. The embarked unit doesn't make the transport any less effective, and if it is destroyed the pinned unit acts normally as per the rules in Going to Ground. Sitting with your head between your legs may be all fine and good, but if your transport blows up around you, that might just be the motivation you need to get back fighting.

[Madness]

That's another quick way to deal with it, but imho it's even more devastating since the models can't disembark, very elegant approach tho.