Grav weapons and vehicles

[Stone Edwards]

Hey everyone. Been seeing a lot of people saying that vehicles don't get cover saves vs grav weapons since it technically doesn't cause a pen/glance result. Just wondering if everyone is in consensus with this or if there is some dissension to this. Also does this mean they wouldn't get invul saves either?

[Nabterayl]

I'm of the opinion that they don't get cover or invulnerable saves, for the reason you describe. If we get a FAQ to the contrary I won't be super surprised, but until and unless that happens I think it's pretty clear that grav weapons don't penetrate armor, and thus vehicles can take neither cover nor invulnerable saves against them.

[Houghten]

If you have to use the word "technically"...

[Tyrendian]

well, RAW says you don't, while common sense suggests you do (infantry get cover after all...)

[tbcx6628]

Though if this is true they wouldn't get re rerolls from tank hunter if there Imperial Fists, I am ok with that lol.

[AirHorse]

Except Dev Centurions already get rerolls for having grav amps anyway!

[Houghten]

Yes, the existence of the grav-amp should be a clue.

If this is not a penetration result, then why do they get re-rolls to penetrate?

[Nabterayl]

If this is not a penetration result, then why do they get re-rolls to penetrate?

I can't tell if I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you, but:

Grav-amps say "When rolling to Wound with a grav-weapon, or to determine its effects on a vehicle, the bearer can re-roll the result."

The fact that it says "its effects on a vehicle" rather than something like "failed penetration rolls" is further evidence to me that grav weapons don't cause penetrating or glancing hits at all.

[DarkLink]

Then tell them they don't get to reroll penetration from grav amps.

[Stone Edwards]

It is explicitly a to penetrate roll. Someone is being a dumbass.

Have to disagree with you here. To me it sounds like it is explicitly NOT a to penetrate roll.

Another thing I saw on warseer: since it causes an immobilized result if you roll 2 6s does that cause 3 hps? Two for each 6 and then another for an additional immobilized result.

Edit: forgot to mention my reasoning for lack of saves. It's an effect in the same vein as a failed dangerous terrain test and cover saves can't be taken against those.